Justin Gravitt, with The Navigators Church Ministry joins Raymond and Dennis to talk about how leaders affect discipleship, and how Christian culture in most of Western Christianity must change. Justin's website is justin.gravitt.com and his ebook on discipleship, along with the broader role of the Navigators and discipling can be found at https://navigatorschurchministries.org/

Join us at The Disciple Dilemma for videos, blogs and more conversation about the "hack" facing Western discipleship!