In this episode, Ellen interviews her mom! And they laugh pretty hard about some silly, personal stuff. Plus, Cathy confesses she feels really nervous. Ellen asks great questions to prompt her mom to share the nitty-gritty, personal stories about her relationship with both her mom and her dad (Ellen's grandparents). Tune in for a very authentic, spontaneous conversation about how having a few strategies can lead to life-changing conversations. Cathy tells the truth about why she NEVER wanted to look closely at the woman at the well, much less pull over 40 communication principles out of the story! Not in a million years did she think this Bible story would be her first book!