Many educators see a role for both skills and knowledge in the curriculum – but the national debate continues to pitch one against the other. In this podcast, Pete Henshaw chats with Jez Bennett and Chris Holmwood from the 5 Dimensions Trust in Milton Keynes about how schools can embrace both skills and knowledge education and what this might look like.

We look at what Ofsted has to say on the matter, how we can promote skills within a system of terminal examinations, and hear about the innovative ASK (Academic Skills and Knowledge) framework in place at Shenley Brook End School, where Chris is headteacher.