The Second Voice with Luisa Hogan

Most leaders don’t realize how much of their decision-making is driven by fear until they build a life around surviving instead of creating. And when fear becomes the operating system, even success can start feeling reactive instead of meaningful. Today’s conversation is about what happens when leaders stop building from panic and start building from vision.

Welcome back to The Second Voice where we uncover the conversations leaders don’t say out loud. I’m Luisa Hogan and today we’re exploring the tension between fear, ambition, identity, and what it really means to build toward the future without losing yourself in the process. Gues today is Dr Christian Komor is a climate innovation advocate and Independent candidate for Governor of Colorado, focused on scaling direct air carbon removal as a practical solution to climate challenges. His work centers on turning captured carbon into economic opportunity—creating jobs, new industries, and infrastructure while addressing environmental impact. 

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

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What if the price of success is yourself? So many leaders accept pushing through stress and fatigue as part of the job, a quiet pact that says, “drive requires sacrifice.” But what happens when that bargain goes too far and you’re left depleted instead of fulfilled?

Welcome back to The Second Voice where we uncover the conversations leaders don’t say out loud. I’m Luisa Hogan, and today we’re talking about the bargain every leader regrets—the silent deal we make with burnout, and how to finally break it.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

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What if your hiring problem has nothing to do with hiring at all?

Most leaders think losing good people is just part of business, but beneath the surface, culture breakdown is often being created, reinforced, and normalized by leadership systems nobody wants to question. Today, we’re unpacking why companies stay trapped in endless recruiting cycles while quietly pushing their best people away.

My guest today is Clark Ingram, the founder of People Profits, LLC and a finance-trained executive who now serves as the Chief Human Resources Officer of Littleton Regional Healthcare. Over the course of his career, Clark has helped organizations confront one of the most persistent challenges in business: employee turnover. His approach is rooted in operational discipline and leadership accountability rather than traditional engagement programs. In his upcoming book, Churn: Proven Strategies to Overcome Failing Conventional Talent Management and Achieve Zero Turnover (releasing March 24, 2026), Clark argues that workforce instability is not an HR problem but a leadership problem. Drawing on decades of executive experience, he shows how organizations can reduce turnover, stabilize teams, and build workplaces where strong employees choose to stay.

Conenct with Clark

https://peopleprofits.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/clark-ingram-mba-shrm-scp-cebs-cpcu-06385111/

Most people think leadership pressure comes from making hard decisions. But for many leaders, the real pressure comes afterward — carrying uncertainty while everyone else looks to you for certainty. Over time, constant change doesn’t just reshape organizations; it quietly reshapes the person leading them.

My guest today is Jeff Niebuhr. He has lead large, complex organizations through transformation and execution, with a focus on operating rigor, delivery at scale, and navigating change in real-world enterprise environments.

Connect with Jeff

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffniebuhr/

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

Most people think high performers are confident. But what if the very voice driving their success is also quietly draining their peace, relationships, and sense of self? Today’s conversation explores the hidden emotional patterns leaders carry behind achievement — and why success alone never silences the second voice.

Today’s guest is Steve Barton — executive coach, author, and creator of The Game of Ten®, a powerful awareness-based framework helping leaders operate at their highest level of clarity, confidence, and performance.

Steve has over 47 years of real-world business experience, having grown a company from $200,000 to $2 million in annual revenue. His work blends practical business strategy with deep insight into human awareness, decision-making, and emotional intelligence.

He has presented his coaching process to the Harvard Business School Case Study Team and works with executives, entrepreneurs, and high-achievers who want more than financial success — they want peace of mind, stronger relationships, and a clear sense of purpose.

Steve is also an author and has a profound message, which I am excited to explore with him today. 

Connect with Steve:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/coach-steve-barton/

https://www.stevebartoncoaching.com/

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

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Most leaders believe resilience means pushing harder, staying strong, and finding answers fast. But what happens when life puts you in a season where nothing can be forced forward — not your business, not your health, not your future? Today’s conversation is about the inner battle of learning how to stand steady when everything around you feels uncertain. 

My guest today is Bill Derrick. Bill is a family business leader with over 50 years of experience in the construction industry. He helped lead his company through the trials of the Great Recession in the construction and real estate industry. Bill's book, "Restored by the Storm - Navigating Through Life's Unexpected Challenges," instills a sense of inspiration essential for anyone seeking to find meaning and strength in the midst of life's storms, assuring them that there is still much to achieve and cherish, even after significant losses.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

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What happens when “stay positive” stops feeling supportive and starts feeling like pressure?
Today’s conversation is about the emotional weight of being expected to fight, inspire, and stay strong while privately trying to make sense of fear, uncertainty, and identity.
Because sometimes healing begins the moment we stop performing resilience for everyone else.

Today’s guest is Bron Watson, founder of The Social Coach and The Serenity Project. After decades working as a nurse, educator, and business owner, Bron’s life changed through two cancer diagnoses that reshaped how she thinks about healing, resilience, and the pressure to always “stay positive.” In this conversation, we explore the emotional weight of being strong for everyone else, and what it means to find calm instead of just survival.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

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Most leaders spend decades chasing success without ever asking what happens after they reach it. But eventually, there comes a quieter season where achievement no longer answers the deeper questions , and many leaders realize they’ve built a career without preparing for who they’ll become beyond it.

 Mark L. Vincent, Ph.D., EPC,  is a pioneer in multiple fields and partners with accomplished Third-Turn leaders committed to developing the current and next generation of effective leadership. He is a strategic advisor in valuation of firms, a certified Executive Process Consultant, and a practitioner-scholar of organizations and leadership.

Mark created and shepherds the Sage Group Collective, an "emergency Board meeting" panel for executives and business owners addressing a significant opportunity or challenge.

His most recent book is The Maestro Effect: Future Value, Succession, and Legacy in Business.

An Executive Advisor, author, Systems Convener, and Succession Process Consultant, Mark loves leaders who love leaders.

Connect with Mark: 

https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

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You've been solving the same problem for years in and not gotten anywhere, and you've assumed the answer is to push harder — because on the map you're using, harder is one of only two directions available. My guest today says that map is missing a dimension, and that most of us have flattened our lives to fit it. And he has already proven this to me through his work with me.

Welcome back to The Second Voice, where we uncover the conversations leaders don't say out loud. I'm Luisa Hogan, and today I'm joined by Mark Zan — an entrepreneur and intuitive healer whose path has run from underground coal mines to corporate boardrooms to building businesses and helping people reconnect with themselves. He's spent nearly two decades in personal development, meditation, intuition and energy healing. Through his practice, Mark Zan Healing, he brings these two worlds together — business and intuition — exploring how energy, awareness and the beliefs we carry shape the way we lead, the decisions we make, and how we experience both failure and success.

Connect with Mark:

https://markzan.com/

https://www.instagram.com/markzanhealing

https://www.facebook.com/MarkZanHealing

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

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You don’t lose yourself overnight when you become a leader—you lose the version of you that used to know exactly where you stood. And no one tells you what replaces it. What if the real challenge isn’t leading others… but not recognising yourself in the process?

Alicia Rius is a former co-founder and COO, ICF-certified leadership coach, and author of Lead With Clarity: How New Managers Turn Confusion into Confident Leadership.   She helps new managers, founders, and executive teams fix the clarity gaps that quietly undermine performance during growth.   Alicia believes leaders don’t fail from a lack of talent — they fail from a lack of clarity around identity, purpose, and execution.

Find Alicia: 

https://www.instagram.com/alicia_rius

https://www.linkedin.com/in/aliciarius/

https://hiveteamcoaching.com/

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @luisahoganhq

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.