No one tells you what happens when the demands of leadership collide with the realities of midlife. For many women, menopause, identity shifts, and the pressure to keep proving themselves can trigger a second voice of doubt, overwhelm, and burnout. Today, we’re pulling back the curtain on the leadership challenge no one talks about—and discovering how to reclaim power in the midst of change.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

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• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

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What if becoming a leader wasn’t part of the plan? My guest today became an “accidental entrepreneur,” then stepped into some of the biggest leadership roles imaginable — only to find the inner voice of self-doubt never went away. From loneliness at the top to leading change without allies, Kelly Gray shows us why doing the right thing is rarely the easy thing.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

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At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

In this solo episode, Luisa explores how every leader has a private boardroom they never talk about (not with their team, not with their mentors, sometimes not even with themselves). In that boardroom sit three voices: the doubter, the driver, and the decider. The question is.... who’s running yours?

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

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At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

What happens when the thing you’ve built your entire career on — your words, your creativity — suddenly feels replaceable? For copywriter and storyteller Vishma Mistry, facing both a life-altering stroke and the rise of AI became an unexpected mirror. This is the story of rediscovering humanity in a world obsessed with automation. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Connect with Vishma

https://www.mistryofwords.com/

https://www.instagram.com/mistryofwords/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/vishma-mistry-84082634/

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

Today, Luisa's guest is Tania Plakonouris, a Relational Resilience Consultant. When relationships start to strain — at work, in teams, or in our personal lives — the easiest thing to do is walk away. But what if real resilience isn’t about holding it together, but learning how to reconnect when it feels impossible? Today we’re exploring the quiet, unseen work that keeps connection alive — even when it hurts. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Connect and work with Tania

Instagram @vermelho_consulting

www.vermelho.com.au

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

You can tell yourself the right things and still make the wrong decisions. In leadership, positive self-talk rarely fails loudly—it fails quietly by keeping you comfortable when you should be honest. This episode is about where mindset stops helping and starts costing you.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What did this episode reveal about your own second voice right now?

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. In this episode we ask "What if the voice inside your head isn’t just shaping you, but shaping your children too?" Today, we explore how the self-talk we carry as leaders and mothers becomes the invisible inheritance passed to the next generation. Krystal Jugarap shares the raw truth about leading, doubting, and parenting when the second voice is always present.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Connect with Krystal 

https://www.krystaljugarap.com

https://www.empoweredbywmn.com

Instagram: @iamkrystalj @empoweredbywmn @bookofbijoux

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krystaljugarap

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper with Luisa:

-Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

-Keynotes and curated live experiences

-The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: www.vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. In this episode, we discuss how change is never easy — but what if you’re the one leading it? The voice that drives transformation is also the one that questions whether the cost is too high. Today, we’re diving into the private self-talk of leaders who are catalysts for big change. Our guest is Michelle Jenkins, an extraordinary leader with diverse experience and an incredible talent for creating change. 

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

The Second Voice is where leaders, founders, and entrepreneurs explore the conversations no one hears: the ones behind the polished answers, the boardroom strategies, and the personal highlight reels. Launching 9 January 2026!

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.

Leadership isn’t just about what you say out loud, it's about the conversations you have with yourself.

In this first episode of The Second Voice, host Luisa Hogan opens up about her own leadership journey and the self-talk that shaped it. She shares how the unseen, unspoken inner dialogue can build resilience (or quietly erode it) and why learning to manage your second voice may be the most important leadership skill you’ll ever develop.

This episode lays the foundation for what’s to come: raw, honest conversations with incredible founders, entrepreneurs, and change-makers just like you and the private battles behind public success. If you’ve ever felt like your inner voice was louder than your outer one, this is where your story meets theirs.

The Second Voice — uncovering the conversations leaders don’t say out loud. Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.

Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.

Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com

Stay Connected

Follow along and join the conversation:

• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast

• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting

• Instagram: @whisperandthread

Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.