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In this episode of the iGaming Leader Podcast, Leo Judkins sits down with Andy Rogers, the quiet force behind some of the industry's most significant behind-the-scenes developments. Andy shares his journey from industrial design to launching and exiting multiple agencies and technology firms, including his strategic tenure at Media Tech and the eventual founding of Rokker.
The conversation explores strategic decision-making under intense constraints, the intricacies of business design, and the reality of navigating a "mad" 10-year plan. Andy offers deep insights into the value of patience, the importance of running your own race, and why being undercapitalised is the most expensive mistake an executive can make.
GUEST BIO
Andy Rogers
Founder and CEO of Rokker
Andy has been an MD, CEO, Investor, and Board member in the digital and gaming industries for 28 years. After studying Industrial Design at Brunel University, he launched his own design agency in 1998, working through the dotcom boom and bust, developing the UK's first online trading platform, and even running a military database business. He later joined Lightmaker as Managing Director, scaling it into a global leader with clients like Manchester United, Sony, and Nintendo.
After moving to London to lead the digital arm of ETV Media Group, Andy entered the iGaming sector, eventually building the world’s first B2B social gaming platform. Following the sale of that business to Mediatech, he served as their Managing Director in Spain, overseeing nearly a third of the country's online GGR. In 2015, Andy founded Rokker, acting as an incubator for ventures including Random Colour Animal, Skull Mountain, and Pretty Technical, where he continues to lead today.
Key Topics Discussed
00:00 - Patient strategy and the "fuck it, I'll figure it out" mindset
03:00 - Launching a first agency and the transition to "proper" jobs
05:00 - Walking away from an acquisition payday at Media Tech
09:00 - Why Andy chose to bootstrap Rokker instead of raising VC
12:00 - Running your own race: Refusing to judge success by others' achievements
18:00 - Reverse engineering a 10-year life and financial plan
21:00 - The "Mad Plan": Incubating four businesses by waiting for the right people
27:00 - Capital deployment: Deciding which fire to put out first
34:00 - Listening to accountants without letting spreadsheets kill growth
41:00 - Undercapitalisation: The canary in the coal mine for business failure
43:00 - Why it is expensive to be poor: Blood in the water and bad deals
50:00 - Advice to 25-year-old Andy: Get into gaming earlier and back yourself
Memorable Quotes
"Our success is directly proportional to the number of times you've said: fuck it, I'll figure it out."
"Investing is easy if you have an infinite amount of time."
"It's expensive to be poor. You get worse deals, you get worse rates, someone can see the blood in the water."
"Run your own race... I'm comfortable in my own skin to run my own race."
"When you know, you know. There is no amount of swinging for the boundaries... you just know it's done."
Key Takeaways
Patience is a Competitive Advantage: By giving himself a 10-to-15-year horizon rather than a standard 3-year VC cycle, Andy was able to build value without the pressure of external shareholders.
The "Expensive to be Poor" Trap: Running a business undercapitalised forces you to take bad projects and accept suboptimal deals because investors can "see the blood in the water".
Don't Cut Costs to Growth: While accountants are essential for structure, cost-cutting your way to a growth target is often a "convenient memory loss" that ignores the initial investment required to hit those numbers.
Success is Contextual: Most industry success is based on context and timing rather than purely personal ability; leaders must be honest enough to admit when luck played a role.
Back Yourself to Run Again: The highest leverage a young leader has is the conviction to run their own race rather than helping someone else achieve their goals at the expense of their own conviction.
Follow Andy Rogers:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyrogersprofile/
www.rokker.co.uk
www.rokkerx.team
www.prettytechnical.io
Follow Leo Judkins & iGaming Leader
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leo-judkins/
Newsletter: https://www.igamingleader.com/subscribe
Join the Mastermind: https://www.igamingleader.com/apply
This episode is sponsored by Sumsub, the leading identity verification provider for iGaming operators. Learn more at https://sumsub.com/blog/knowledge-hub/gambling/
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By Leo Judkins - Coach for iGaming LeadersIn this episode of the iGaming Leader Podcast, Leo Judkins sits down with Andy Rogers, the quiet force behind some of the industry's most significant behind-the-scenes developments. Andy shares his journey from industrial design to launching and exiting multiple agencies and technology firms, including his strategic tenure at Media Tech and the eventual founding of Rokker.
The conversation explores strategic decision-making under intense constraints, the intricacies of business design, and the reality of navigating a "mad" 10-year plan. Andy offers deep insights into the value of patience, the importance of running your own race, and why being undercapitalised is the most expensive mistake an executive can make.
GUEST BIO
Andy Rogers
Founder and CEO of Rokker
Andy has been an MD, CEO, Investor, and Board member in the digital and gaming industries for 28 years. After studying Industrial Design at Brunel University, he launched his own design agency in 1998, working through the dotcom boom and bust, developing the UK's first online trading platform, and even running a military database business. He later joined Lightmaker as Managing Director, scaling it into a global leader with clients like Manchester United, Sony, and Nintendo.
After moving to London to lead the digital arm of ETV Media Group, Andy entered the iGaming sector, eventually building the world’s first B2B social gaming platform. Following the sale of that business to Mediatech, he served as their Managing Director in Spain, overseeing nearly a third of the country's online GGR. In 2015, Andy founded Rokker, acting as an incubator for ventures including Random Colour Animal, Skull Mountain, and Pretty Technical, where he continues to lead today.
Key Topics Discussed
00:00 - Patient strategy and the "fuck it, I'll figure it out" mindset
03:00 - Launching a first agency and the transition to "proper" jobs
05:00 - Walking away from an acquisition payday at Media Tech
09:00 - Why Andy chose to bootstrap Rokker instead of raising VC
12:00 - Running your own race: Refusing to judge success by others' achievements
18:00 - Reverse engineering a 10-year life and financial plan
21:00 - The "Mad Plan": Incubating four businesses by waiting for the right people
27:00 - Capital deployment: Deciding which fire to put out first
34:00 - Listening to accountants without letting spreadsheets kill growth
41:00 - Undercapitalisation: The canary in the coal mine for business failure
43:00 - Why it is expensive to be poor: Blood in the water and bad deals
50:00 - Advice to 25-year-old Andy: Get into gaming earlier and back yourself
Memorable Quotes
"Our success is directly proportional to the number of times you've said: fuck it, I'll figure it out."
"Investing is easy if you have an infinite amount of time."
"It's expensive to be poor. You get worse deals, you get worse rates, someone can see the blood in the water."
"Run your own race... I'm comfortable in my own skin to run my own race."
"When you know, you know. There is no amount of swinging for the boundaries... you just know it's done."
Key Takeaways
Patience is a Competitive Advantage: By giving himself a 10-to-15-year horizon rather than a standard 3-year VC cycle, Andy was able to build value without the pressure of external shareholders.
The "Expensive to be Poor" Trap: Running a business undercapitalised forces you to take bad projects and accept suboptimal deals because investors can "see the blood in the water".
Don't Cut Costs to Growth: While accountants are essential for structure, cost-cutting your way to a growth target is often a "convenient memory loss" that ignores the initial investment required to hit those numbers.
Success is Contextual: Most industry success is based on context and timing rather than purely personal ability; leaders must be honest enough to admit when luck played a role.
Back Yourself to Run Again: The highest leverage a young leader has is the conviction to run their own race rather than helping someone else achieve their goals at the expense of their own conviction.
Follow Andy Rogers:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyrogersprofile/
www.rokker.co.uk
www.rokkerx.team
www.prettytechnical.io
Follow Leo Judkins & iGaming Leader
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leo-judkins/
Newsletter: https://www.igamingleader.com/subscribe
Join the Mastermind: https://www.igamingleader.com/apply
This episode is sponsored by Sumsub, the leading identity verification provider for iGaming operators. Learn more at https://sumsub.com/blog/knowledge-hub/gambling/