As Ugly Things magazine celebrates its 40th year, we dug way back into the archives for an extraordinary 1983 phone interview with Sky Sunlight Saxon of the Seeds. In this episode Mike Stax takes you back to the first year of scrappy no-budget fanzine publishing, and shares highlights from his tapes of his phone conversations with Sky, who talks about his music, his philosophy, his storied past, his plans for the future, and why it should be called Ugly & Beautiful Things.

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