Wise Elders Podcast is a search for the secret sauce of wisdom with your host, Matt Ditty. Matt is a DBT therapist, trainer, teacher, and consultant who specializes in building lives worth living with those experiencing suicidality, self harm, and PTSD. Today's guest features Kell Julliard, an experienced mindfulness practitioner who is a retired professor and a current instructor with Tergar (www.tergar.org). Matt and Kell discuss wisdom, summarizing many of the themes from the entire Wise Elders Podcast series so far (14:41). They then compare notes on their understanding of mindfulness of emotion from two different lenses – DBT and Tergar (46:57).