https://page2pod.com - Jon Clark and Joe DeVito dive deep with Noah Learner—Director of Innovation at Sterling Sky and founder of the SEO Community—unpacking groundbreaking concepts like Google’s Query Fan Out technique, the ROSP (Return on Search Page) metric, and how AI Mode will reshape search monetization. Discover actionable insights on structured data experiments, future content strategies, and ways to stay ahead in an AI-first landscape.

Discover how these changes impact your SEO strategy, from technical optimizations to structured data and user engagement. 

🎯 In this episode:
• What "Query Fan Out" is—and why it's a game-changer for SEO
• The introduction of "Return on Search Page (ROSP)" and why it matters to Google
• Why rank tracking is becoming obsolete—and what's replacing it
• How AI overviews and synthetic queries impact content strategies
• The critical role of structured data and schema in AI-driven SEO
• How Noah builds automated data pipelines using APIs for SEO insights
• Why testing and experimentation is essential for future-proofing SEO strategies
• The growing role of local SEO and video content in the age of AI
• Behind-the-scenes insights into managing the SEO Community Slack group

Noah Learner offers a blueprint for navigating the complexities of modern SEO, emphasizing the importance of innovation, automation, and continuous testing.

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• The SEO Community
• Sterling Sky Incorporated
• Postamatic
• Google patents on Search with Stateful Chat
• Qforia (tool by Mike King)
• Barry Adams’s LinkedIn post about news publishers’ click losses
• Cindy Krum Episode on Fraggles

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https://page2pod.com - In this must-listen episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Mike King (founder of iPullRank) returns for a deeply technical and philosophical conversation about the future of search. 

From the fallout of Google I/O to the rise of AI Overviews and the evolving utility of tools like Profound, Mike breaks down what’s next for SEOs—and why the entire playbook needs to change toward . 

Learn why impressions are the new KPI, how to optimize for synthetic queries, and why relevance engineering could be the only way forward.

🔍 In this episode:
• Mike’s raw reaction to Google I/O and the existential threat to traditional SEO
• The concept of “relevance engineering” and why SEO needs to evolve
• Why impressions and brand awareness are becoming core SEO KPIs
• Google's “query fan out” technique and how it reshapes keyword research
• Why rank tracking is dead and new metrics like visibility and citations matter more
• The case for treating search as a branding channel, not just a performance one
• The future of Google Search Console and what it’s still missing
• The gap between current SEO tools and what practitioners actually need
• How AI mode, reasoning, and semantic triples influence optimization
• Mike’s prediction: in 12 months, the default Google experience will be AI-first

Mike King offers a reality check and roadmap for SEOs ready to embrace change—and lead it.

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• iPullRank – Mike King’s SEO and content strategy agency
• Profound – Mike's next-gen SEO platform built for the AI era
• The Future of Search: A Recap Discussion of Google I/O
• Relevance Engineering Framework – Deep dive into Mike’s technical methodology
• Mike King on LinkedIn
• Mike King on X / Twitter

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https://page2pod.com - In Episode 76 of the Page 2 Podcast, we're joined by SEO consultant, writer, and Reddit community wrangler Nick LeRoy. 

As the first episode of Season 4, this one hits hard with fresh takes on what SEO looks like in 2025. Nick dives into the evolution of his weekly newsletter SEO for Lunch, owning and optimizing SEOJobs.com, and why Reddit may be the new frontier for organic visibility. 

We also talk AI overviews, enterprise link building, and why SEO can no longer “polish the turd.”

🧩 In this episode:
• The origin and pivot of Nick’s SEO for Lunch newsletter
• Why SEOJobs.com was born out of frustration with job searches
• How Nick took over the r/SEOJobs subreddit (without spending a dime)
• The state of link building today—and why it’s resurging
• Using affiliate and PR channels to win in AI-driven search
• Why SEO can’t “save” bad products or businesses anymore
• Why “trust me, bro” attribution doesn’t cut it in the boardroom
• The risk of tying SEO measurement too tightly to organic channel data
• How Reddit traffic is affecting visibility—and why it’s now an organic channel
• What SEOs need to do to survive the AI shift in 2025

Nick delivers a refreshingly candid perspective on what it takes to stay relevant in a post-AI, post-rank-tracking world.

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• Nick LeRoy’s Official Website
• SEO for Lunch Newsletter
• SEOJobs.com – Marketing Job Board
• r/SEOJobs Subreddit
• Follow Nick on LinkedIn
• Follow Nick on Twitter/X

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In the powerful Season 3 finale of the Page 2 Podcast, we welcome Azeem Ahmad—award-winning digital marketer, podcast host, and outspoken diversity advocate. Azeem shares his journey from aspiring sports journalist to leading in-house SEO roles, agency life, and launching the Azeem Digital Asks podcast. This episode goes beyond strategy to talk about self-worth, salary negotiations, and the deep-rooted inequities in the marketing industry. With unfiltered insights and personal stories, Azeem challenges us all to rethink equity, visibility, and opportunity in digital marketing.

🌐 In this episode:
• How Azeem pivoted from sports journalism into SEO and digital marketing
• The difference between agency vs. in-house SEO career paths
• Salary disparities and the importance of transparency in the SEO industry
• Why he launched his podcast and how it amplifies underrepresented voices
• The personal and professional toll of being overlooked due to bias
• What inspired his viral article: "Diversity, Inclusion, and Marketing in 2021: Why Has Nothing Changed?"
• DEI progress in SEO—what’s working, what’s not, and what’s needed
• Practical steps companies and individuals can take to create real change
• A candid discussion about privilege, allyship, and accountability in tech
• Closing the season with a look ahead and how every voice matters

A must-listen episode for any marketer who believes in equity, authenticity, and growth—on every level.

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In Episode 74 of the Page 2 Podcast, we talk with Dawn Anderson, Managing Director at Bertey, international SEO speaker, researcher, and lecturer. From running a construction company to becoming one of the industry’s most respected voices in technical SEO and information retrieval, Dawn shares a truly unconventional and deeply inspiring journey. 

We discuss the power of self-taught curiosity, the role of formal education in digital marketing, and her academic dive into AI, NLP, and computer science. If you’ve ever wondered what makes Google's BERT tick—or what it’s like to learn SEO from the ground up—this episode delivers in every way.

🧬 In this episode:
• Dawn's transition from construction business owner to SEO expert
• How an information architect changed her perspective on web development
• Her academic pursuit of AI, machine learning, and information retrieval
• What Google's BERT algorithm actually does—and its real-world SEO impact
• Why passion and self-directed learning matter more than any degree
• The power of passage ranking, contextual relevance, and NLP in search
• A behind-the-scenes look at Dawn's experience speaking at BrightonSEO
• Public speaking advice for SEOs just starting out
• Misconceptions about traditional education and digital marketing careers
• Why understanding search engine architecture can change how you do SEO

Dawn’s journey proves that SEO isn’t just a skill—it’s a discipline where grit, learning, and curiosity win every time.

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In Episode 73 of the Page 2 Podcast, we talk with Chima Mmeje—SEO content strategist, founder of Zenith Copy, and one of the most inspiring voices in the digital marketing space. From writing 100,000+ words a month for a content mill while holding a government job in Nigeria, to becoming a sought-after expert for SaaS brands, Chima shares her incredible journey. 

She breaks down how to use topic clusters for scalable SEO growth, how to charge what you're worth, and how to build a powerful personal brand even when starting with nothing.

💡 In this episode:
• How Chima transitioned from hotel work and bartending to founding Zenith Copy
• The physical and emotional toll of content mill work—and how she escaped
• Finding the courage to charge premium rates and break free from bias
• Using LinkedIn and Twitter to build an organic personal brand
• How she structures SEO content strategies with topic clusters and long-form content
• Her take on integrating value propositions into blog content
• Why some of the best-performing posts don’t show up in keyword tools
• The importance of writing content that serves the reader—not word count goals
• Real talk on bias, burnout, and battling industry gatekeeping
• Her unique process for selling content strategy through education and content briefs

Chima’s story is raw, real, and rich with insights for content marketers, SEOs, and freelancers alike.

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In Episode 72 of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Kevin Indig, Director of SEO at Shopify and host of the TechBound podcast. From building gaming websites as a teen to leading SEO at companies like Atlassian, G2, and now Shopify, Kevin's career is a blueprint for modern SEO leadership. 

In this episode, he introduces his concept of "Zero-Based SEO," a mindset shift that encourages testing everything from scratch—title tags to templates—to drive scalable, data-backed growth. We also explore the evolution of SEO careers, agency vs. in-house life, and building SEO experimentation frameworks that actually get things done.

🧪 In this episode:
• Kevin’s journey from gamer kid in Germany to SEO leader at Shopify
• Lessons learned from Atlassian, G2, and DailyMotion
• What "Zero-Based SEO" really means—and why it matters now
• Testing frameworks and tools for SEO experimentation
• Why robust testing is essential for modern enterprise SEO
• The challenges of implementation and developer collaboration
• How to scale SEO across large teams and product orgs
• Podcasting vs. writing: how Kevin creates content at scale
• How to fight burnout, prioritize your time, and build systems
• The future of data-driven SEO and what SEOs can learn from medicine

This episode is packed with career insights, innovative thinking, and tactical SEO approaches for growth-stage and enterprise teams alike.

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Episode 71 of the Page 2 Podcast features Alina Benny, SEO and Content Lead at Nextiva. Alina shares her remarkable journey from engineering student and aspiring astrophysicist in India to leading global SEO strategy for a major SaaS brand. 

She opens up about breaking into the U.S. market, overcoming bias, and establishing herself as a content-driven growth marketer. This episode covers everything from content optimization and product-focused SEO to international career building and diversity in marketing.

🌟 In this episode:
• Alina's unexpected pivot from engineering to SEO
• How she built authority with her LinkedIn profile and quantifiable results
• Insights into SEO for SaaS and telecom, including high-funnel vs. product content
• Smart strategies for scaling content and building internal processes
• Navigating U.S. hiring biases and the realities of working remotely from India
• How to blend CRO, paid media, and SEO into a cohesive demand gen strategy
• Why she believes SEOs must understand product development
• Tactical advice on managing sales relationships and mining internal insights for content
• Honest reflections on burnout, career resilience, and imposter syndrome
• The cultural complexity of India and what Western marketers should understand

Alina's transparency, technical expertise, and leadership in SEO make this an episode packed with both inspiration and practical strategies for marketers of all levels.

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In this week’s episode, we talk with Hannah Bryce, SEO Manager at Holland & Barrett and former co-host of the SEO SAS podcast.

We talk with Hannah about her beginnings in general digital marketing, and how that led her to SEO over a decade ago. She shares how she started at a software company and then moved into many different verticals including legal, education, agencies, bathroom supplies, fitness, and now nutrition. She discusses her best and worst experiences and so much more.

For our core topic, we discuss podcasting in SEO, what went into her decision to start the SEO SAS podcast with Sarah McDowell, her favorite experiences, biggest learnings, what it was like to make it to 100 episodes, her best podcasting advice, and why she ultimately decided to step away.

Finally, we answer more Twitter questions of the week and award some more Page 2 Podcast merchandise.

So get your popcorn ready as we tell Hannah’s SEO story and have another great roundtable discussion.

https://page2pod.com - In Episode 70 of the Page 2 Podcast, we talk with Hannah Bryce, SEO Manager at Holland & Barrett and former co-host of the SEO SAS podcast. Hannah shares her journey from general digital marketing to SEO leadership, her experiences across diverse industries including legal, education, fitness, and nutrition, and valuable insights on starting and sustaining a successful podcast. Hannah offers candid advice about podcasting, managing work-life balance, and handling imposter syndrome.

🎧 In this episode:
• Hannah’s path from digital marketing generalist to SEO specialist
• Behind the scenes of running the SEO SAS podcast
• Why collaboration is the essential skill for successful SEO
• Practical insights into managing international SEO (hreflang and beyond)
• Personal growth and lessons learned from working across multiple industries
• Best practices for podcast planning and execution
• Navigating imposter syndrome as an SEO professional
• Memorable SEO wins and tough learning experiences
• Unique perspectives on podcasting challenges and stepping away after 100 episodes
• Why trying all areas of SEO is crucial for career growth

Hannah’s genuine approach and actionable tips make this episode invaluable for aspiring SEOs, digital marketers, and podcast creators.

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https://page2pod.com - Episode 69 of the Page 2 Podcast features a dynamic double-header with Jaimie Clark, Head of SEO at Wirecutter, and Christine Liang, Director of SEO at The New York Times. They dive into their unique journeys in SEO, transitioning from agency roles into influential positions within two major publishing brands. 

Learn how they manage SEO strategy at massive scale, effectively collaborate with editorial teams, handle paywalls, and execute large-scale migrations.

🎯 In this episode:
• Career paths of Jaimie and Christine from agencies to publishing
• Strategic insights for publisher SEO
• How Wirecutter successfully migrated to NYT’s domain
• Tips for managing editorial SEO at scale
• Practical strategies for handling paywalls and gated content
• Challenges and opportunities in international SEO
• Essential tools and resources for SEO professionals
• Effective strategies for earning featured snippets and Google Discover visibility
• SEO communication and relationship-building advice
• Real-life experiences managing high-traffic sites

This episode provides essential insights into publisher SEO, perfect for digital marketers, SEO professionals, and anyone aiming to excel in SEO strategy and leadership.

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