The sacred/secular divide. Does it exist, how does it affect culture, and what do we think about it? Join host Clay Woydziak as he interviews Janessa Warner and Baily Partridge in a podcast episode full of laughs (and a new interviewing set-up). Have an episode suggestion? Want to learn more about The Shift? Reach us on Instagram @_theshift. Tune in for a new episode every other Tuesday!