How do you know when it’s time for a career change, and how do you find the courage to actually make it?

In Episode 2 of The Shift with Greg James, Greg sits down with Teresa Soos, Associate Director of Marketing & Communications at Havas Media Network, whose career has taken her from film and cinematography to education, change management and ultimately marketing and communications.

Teresa shares what she learned from making multiple career pivots, how to recognize when the path you’re on is no longer the right one, and why changing careers doesn’t mean starting over.

Then, Dragana Stankovic, an NYU integrated marketing graduate student and former entrepreneur, joins the conversation to bring a next-gen perspective. After building a fashion brand in Europe and moving to the U.S., Dragana is navigating her own career transition and figuring out what comes next.

Together, they explore the art of the pivot, the pressure to have your career figured out, the value of transferable skills, and why changing your mind shouldn’t be confused with failure.

Two generations. One honest conversation about having the courage to change course.

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Who are you when your job title disappears?

In the debut episode of The Shift with Greg James, Greg sits down with Joy Doyin Ogunneye - Global Innovation & Brand Comms Lead for Aveeno Face, Sun & Hair - who traded a career in banking for twenty-five years in beauty. Then he brings in Nat Chavis, an NYU integrated marketing grad student, agency intern, and self-taught garment maker, to offer the next-gen read on the same question.

They get into what happens to your sense of self when work stops being a place you go, why authenticity became a job requirement instead of a personality trait, and how the thing that makes you different at work might be the most valuable thing you bring.

Two generations. One honest conversation about who we really are at work.

This episode:

• Joy Doyin Ogunneye - Global Innovation & Brand Comms Lead, Aveeno Face, Sun & Hair. Twenty-five-year marketer, banking-to-beauty pivot, former host of The Joy in Failure.
• Nat Chavis - NYU grad student in integrated marketing (data analytics), sports and entertainment agency intern, self-taught garment maker.

The Shift with Greg James asks one question across every episode: is this new working world actually working for us? New episodes twice a month.

 Meet The Shift with Greg James, a new video podcast on how we work in the modern world.

Over the past 25 years, the world of work has changed dramatically: remote work, always-on culture, and now the AI boom reshaping how we do our jobs. Each episode, Greg sits down with an industry veteran to unpack how work has evolved, then welcomes a newcomer just starting their career to get their take. Two generations, one conversation, asking whether this new working world is actually working for us. New episodes twice a month.

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