In this interview with Joyce McCall, we unpack and problematize some of the issues around race and racism in relation to education. In particular, we discuss the importance of allies not only showing up to support marginalized or oppressed groups, but staying when conversations get uncomfortable; the Shire from the Lord of the Rings as a metaphor for hegemony and systemic racism; as well as a variety of theories such as critical race theory, double consciousness, cultural capital; and much more.

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How to Get Started with Computer Science Education

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00:00 Intro

01:16 Joyce introducing herself

04:46 An experience in education that continues to impact Joyce

11:47 How Joyce's research has informed her own practices in education

14:42 Schools are designed to oppress

21:18 What is critical race theory in education?

24:49 Helping educators understand what CRT is in education

28:52 What is double consciousness in education?

30:12 How double consciousness relates to cultural capital

37:16 What educators can do to learn more about double consciousness

39:50 The danger of conversations turning to violence

44:56 How educators can become better allies

52:58 Scholars that Joyce recommends learning from

55:37 The Shire as metaphor for systemic racism

59:49 What Joyce wishes there was more research on

01:07:14 How Joyce prevents burnout

01:14:41 How to connect with Joyce

01:15:38 Outro