If you hear the phrase 'natural wine' and think, "Ooh, sounds fantastic...I really want to try one", then we have some sick news news for you, dude: You probably already HAVE.

This week, Kat is joined by Matthew Kaner, 2013 Food & Wine Magazine Sommelier of the Year honoree, 2019 Wine Enthusiast Magazine 40 Under 40 Tastemaker and co-founder of too many dope bars to list here, to talk about his improbable path to the wine industry, the 'ethos-based commerce movement' driving natural wine's popularity and why being 'organic' doesn't mean shit without sustainability.