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The Sit Room Ep. 70: Keith Urbahn, Tucker Witt, & Philip Williamson


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This episode of the SitRoom features publisher Keith Urbahn, FBI Agent Tucker Witt, and Litigator Philip Williamson.

  • Keith Urbahn, founding partner and president of Javelin, a literary agency company that represents Presidential contenders, diplomats, journalists, historians, scientists, including Dan Crenshaw, Ben Sasse, Mike Lee, Tom Cotton, and Tucker Carlson, among others.
  • At the forefront of telling important stories, Keith — with a list of bestselling books under his belt — is publishing agent for John Bolton’s new book: The Room Where it Happened, which he reports broke Amazon records with over 100,000 copies sold within 24 hours.
  • Dating back to Ulysses S. Grant, Keith said: “There’s a long tradition of public servants who are paid by the American people to tell their stories. Democracy requires it.”
  • Responding to the DOJ’s move yesterday to block Bolton’s book on the grounds that it reveals classified material, Keith said Bolton submitted his entire manuscript and went through it line by line with NSC clearing personnel before getting it approved.
  • The book is going to get published no matter what: Bezos isn’t going to give 100,000 copies that are sitting in Amazon warehouses back, Keith said.
  • And how is the publishing industry doing in the age of COVID? Keith reports: “Americans are reading!”

  • Tucker Witt, FBI special agent, former Navy Intel, and DOJ investigator, discussed how use of force doctrine is essential for consistency in allocating justice.

  • This doctrine is highly developed and designed to de-escalate and protect both the police and citizens.

  • There are many resources available (link below) demonstrating these practices at work in the real world.

  • The most important question is: how to stop a suspect short of killing them? Choke-holds and constraints get a bad wrap, but they are much less likely to kill someone than a discharged firearm, he said.

  • The 21-Feet Rule: Tucker said suspects holding a knife within 21 feet of an officer are more likely than not to slash an officer unless the officer’s gun is drawn.

  • Going beyond the principal and doctrine, these practices are only good if they are enforced broadly and fairly. The doctrine may not need updating, but those who break it must be re-educated and those who abide it must be protected from retribution.

  • Philip Williamson, associate at Taft Law and veteran of several prestigious clerkships, has been outspoken and thoughtful participant on Teneo’s listserv, noting that there is room for conservatives to affirm that the American Promise has not been as accessible to black Americans without signing onto Black Live Matters-proper’s anti-capitalistic platform.

  • Speaking about recorded deaths of black men at the hands of police, Philip said that the case with George Floyd was different because of the callousness. Many cases involve a police officer making a split second decision in a moment of fear. “You don't get to kneel on a man's neck for 8 minutes because he has a wrap sheet,” Philip said.

  • When it comes to President Trump and Republican Congress’s proposals, Philip is encouraged by what he's seeing on the policy front. Though, he believes we need more enforcement of body cameras.

  • More critically, Philip noted that the Conservative Movement has work to do in demonstrating how our ideology and values can be inclusive and supportive of the unique challenges black Americans face. “The African American experience began as 200 years being property, 100 years not being able to own property, and only the last 50 years as real citizens. Clarence Thomas was 16 when the Civil Rights act was passed,” he said.

  • “It is still conservative to acknowledge reality — we are the realists and we need to affirm the Black Experience,” he said.

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    Force Doctrine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3N...

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    The SitRoomBy Evan Baehr