Leandro and I talk pursuing your interest and the benefit of having the traits curiosity, humility and gratefulness. We discuss choosing your suffering, the scourge of supremacy and victimhood mentalities and the satisfaction of tinkering. Leandro talks about his creative endeavor in FLKR LYTR and we share our thoughts on the early days of creating something. I dig into why education has jumped the shark and a story about why following the rules sucks.