We talk with Charles Barzun about what it means to be a legal pragmatist. But first we start with the ending and then talk John Hodgman, the F words (Framers and Founders), the old 2x debate, and finally (at 13:31) about legal pragmatism and its many senses. We connect the topic to interpretation, ethics, the age of our legal asteroid, families, infidelity, rupture, continuity, Justice Souter, quietism agonistes, and more.

This show’s links:


Charles Barzun’s faculty profile and writing
Charles Barzun, Three Forms of Legal Pragmatism
About Shane Carruth, director of Primer and Upstream Color
Judge John Hodgman and John Hodgman, Vacationland
Brian Tamanaha, A Realistic Theory of Law
Charles Barzun, Inside/Out: Beyond the Internal/External Distinction in Legal Scholarship
Guy Kahane, Evolutionary Debunking Arguments
Charles Barzun, Justice Souter’s Common Law
Oral Argument 146: Somehow in the Middle (with Charles discussing Justice Souter)
Special Guest: Charles Barzun.

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