Max Bergmann, Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, joined us to talk about the current state of the European Union's defense efforts. In this episode, we discuss the shifting U.S. approach to EU defense initiatives, the relationship between the EU and NATO, and the future of European strategic autonomy.

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