Rene Ritchie has been a fan of and journalist covering Apple for longer than I've been in this industry.  When it comes to all things Apple from Macs to iPhones, Rene is the guy.  So with WWDC coming next week, I invited him onto the show to talk about the State of iOS and Apple in 2020, and we had a good long conversation. What's the difference between Jobs Apple and Cook Apple? What's the deal with iPad OS? Why is the Apple Watch so good?

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