Jessup President John Jackson and noted social commentator and teacher Ed Stetzer join the show to discuss the state of the Church as we move forward from 2020.

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host, Mark Moore. And our guests on the show today are dr. john Jackson, the president of William Jessup University, and Dr. Ed stetzer. Dr. stetzer, is a professor and Dean at Wheaton College, where he also serves as the executive director of the Billy Graham center. We are really excited to have him on the show, and we're going to be looking at the church post 2020, particularly how we move forward. Enjoy the show. JOHN, and Ed, thank you so much for joining us on the show calls you john. Dr. Jackson,

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he does but the doctor thing we can just dispense with it. Don't

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worry, it is in the introduction. Okay. So the introduction has already happened. You don't even know what happened. And it is great to have president of William Jessup University, Dr. JOHN Jack's doctor,

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I told you, your doctor. He's got. He has many leather books and the smells of rich mahogany. don't depend on me though, to deliver your baby or do surgery.

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That's exactly right. airplane, if someone says a doctor on board, yes.

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My daughter's once said, so you're a doctor. But you don't really help people. Like Well, I help people. It was too late, though they were getting moving on. We just jumped on your introduction. Sorry about that, hey,

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it's no problem. It's no problem. It's free flowing. Here it is. I feel I feel the flow. And we're I'm I am just excited to have you on the show to really talk about, I think, a really important topic and one that church leaders across America and across the world are asking right now. And that's how do we move forward? How are we coming out of a crazy year, but but I agree with you and on points that you've made? This isn't an anomaly, right? 2020 is not an anomaly.

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It's anyways, the new normal, I mean, maybe not with the pandemic part. But gives I think, ultimately, that's that's waning. We hope we don't know about the variants. But you know, but that's waning, and we've been through I don't have any of your account, you know, 20 plus pandemics since the beginning of the church. So pandemics and the British sweats isn't around anymore. We're not you know, we're not dealing with you know, the black plague. So pandemics em, but I think the cultural tumult and turbulence that we saw in 2020, if it was just a pandemic, but what just pandemic it was, you know, political division, you gotta remember, you know, and the strength in the, in the course of the pandemic, before the, like, weeks before the pandemic, and in during the pandemic, we had to impeachments. So we don't realize it just I mean, wow. And then we had, you know, racial injustice on display, then we had unrest in the cities. We had. We had economic I mean, that April and May last year. I mean, I don't know about you, but everyone's freaking out budget wise.

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Well, absolutely. And don't you think that Ed, we kind of have this on historical I think a lot of times, we're all theological, but we're also all historical to kind of go like God, yeah. Right. So

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you know, I remember like, when I was at moody church, I just finished up I was finishing up the interim pastor at moody church on Easter is Easter 2020, the rooms empty, right, because everything's shut down. I think everyone was shut down then right? There was like, Yeah, but then at that time, so I think 6% of churches did shut down. We did a survey later. So we're standing up there, cuz there's 3000 3750 empty seats in the heart. And the question was, at the time, were we allowed to go and fell into the film right here, we an essential service, and I actually had a recipe. And so I went down, and we did that. And but then it kind of struck me that 100 years earlier, yeah, the pastor of moody ch