The Sutherland Lecture seeks to platform significant research that speaks prophetically to local churches, pastors, and scholars involved in Baptist life in Aotearoa. This year, Martin Sutherland presents ‘Kept apart by creeds: The 1923 Act of Incorporation in the context of division’. His lecture explores what divides us and why we’re still together. Asking those ‘Big Bite’ questions about how we handle difference and reflecting on the Act of Incorporation and what that means in our constitutional basis all comes into this story… Note: This episode was recorded at the Sutherland Lecture breakfast at the Baptist National Hui 2023 and includes Q&A at the end (low audio quality).