This episode of The Swing sees Danae and Jeff talking about the ongoing coronavirus complications in Victoria, leading to border closures in South Australia and a potential border closure in WA to follow.
Danae also interviews historian [Babette Smith](http://babettesmith.com/), talking to her about the female population of the first wave of Australian convicts and their tales of rebellion.
This episode of The Swing aired on Tuesday 25th May 2021.