Yakusan talked with Meikei Osho and later told Ungan: “Meikei was once a government superintendent in his past life.”
Ungan asked, “Osho, what have you done in your past lives?”
Yakusan replied, “Being afraid and shaky, with hundreds of uglinesses and thousands of clumsinesses, I somehow have managed to live lives.”
Ungan later repeated this to Dogo, who commented: “It is a good story, but one question is missing.”
“What, may I ask?” Inquired Ungan.
Dogo said, in the manner of literary, scholarly Chinese: “How did you become like that?”
Ungan took the question to Yakusan, using the same scholarly Chinese.
Yakusan answered, “I never open any books.”
On another occasion, Yakusan asked Ungan, “A horse has horns; can you see them?”
Ungan replied, “if it has, there is no need to see.”
“That horse is of the best quality,” added Yakusan.
Ungan replied, “If that is so, I’ll take it.”