Rotten Oranges is episode 33, an online conversation with artist Rubén Grilo and Sonia Fernandez Pan, the host of this podcast, in which they talk about technology and art because they are part of his work without being categories that can fully capture it.

“The story that opens this podcast reveals how Silicon Valley is connected to any place with an internet connection. It also tells how what is supposed to be outstanding is actually utterly banal.

I don't know many people who pay such close attention to how things work: from machines to infrastructures to social and interpersonal relationships. Nor do I know many artists who decide to stop making art because they acknowledge the system is worn out. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that reverse engineering is part of Rubén’s work, understanding how systems are made and how they made us.

I also keep asking Rubén lots of questions about technology and capitalism because he explains them in a way that everyone can understand.

The title of this podcast has to do with that moment and with Rubén Grilo's way of speaking. To squeeze the rotten oranges, I highly recommend listening to the whole conversation. The rest is just a matter of making the connections.”

Sonia Fernandez Pan