Joshua Holland talks with The Washington Post's Paul Waldman about Joe Biden's big infrastructure and jobs bill. Then Kaili Joy Gray joins Joshua to run through Rep. Matt Gaetz's latest bizarre scandal.

Joshua Holland talks with The Washington Post's Paul Waldman about Joe Biden's big infrastructure and jobs bill. Then Kaili Joy Gray joins Joshua to run through Rep. Matt Gaetz's latest bizarre scandal.

Joshua Holland talks with The Washington Post's&nbsp;Paul Waldman about Joe Biden's big infrastructure and jobs bill. Then Kaili Joy Gray joins Joshua to run through Rep. Matt Gaetz's latest bizarre scandal.

The tawdry, bizarre Matt Gaetz scandal has unleashed so much schadenfreude

Focusing on issues, not tweets, Joshua Holland talks politics and culture with newsmakers, journalists and academics.

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The tawdry, bizarre Matt Gaetz scandal has unleashed so much schadenfreude

The tawdry, bizarre Matt Gaetz scandal has unleashed so much schadenfreude