Tochi & Zell remember how things used to work in this one. They discuss the White House whistleblower and what it could mean for 45, then Shane Gillis and the whines of unrepentant white dudes.Email: InnerCitizens@gmail.comGot a question for Tochi & Zell? Message them on Insta: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/treize64/'>@Treize64</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/azellwill'>@AZellWill</a>

Tochi & Zell remember how things used to work in this one. They discuss the White House whistleblower and what it could mean for 45, then Shane Gillis and the whines of unrepentant white dudes.Email: InnerCitizens@gmail.com Got a question for Tochi & Zell? Message them on Insta: @Treize64 @AZellWill

Tochi &amp; Zell remember how things used to work in this one. They discuss the White House whistleblower and what it could mean for 45, then Shane Gillis and the whines of unrepentant white dudes.Email: InnerCitizens@gmail.comGot a question for Tochi &amp; Zell? Message them on Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/treize64/" rel="noopener noreferrer">@Treize64</a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/azellwill" rel="noopener noreferrer">@AZellWill</a>

The "There Used To Be..." Episode

Award-winning author and lawyer, Tochi Onyebuchi, and award-winning play/TV writer, A. Zell Williams, discuss the news, politics, and culture from the perspective of 2 black men to need to laugh to keep from screaming.

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The "There Used To Be..." Episode

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