Todd and I’s conversation continues. More discussion of some of our fav poets… this round it’s Matthew Yeager, Joyce Monsour, Bill Cassidy, and N.H. Pritchard. Later we talk about being young in the 80s/90s, experiencing the era’s surreal omnipresent homophobia. We riff about Robin Williams as a weirdness role model, as well as the way humor and tragedy are often linked. Todd unveils his concept of The Noem… aka… writing a poem, that isn’t a poem? Here’s Todd: “I was just writing a noem. It wasn’t a poem. It was like a journal entry that moved a little deeper than a journal entry normally might.” Listen for a full unfurling of this delightful (and useful!) concept. Music from Jocko, Conor Oberst, some unknown ambient, found audio from Curb Your Enthusiasm, + audio from Matthew Yeager reading poems at Music Millennium in Portland.