The Tragically Hip Top Forty Countdown: Song Thirty-One – Tracey from Los Angeles

Hey, it’s jD, and this week I’m joined by a bonafide convert — Tracey from L.A., a former “never-heard-of-’em” rocker whose pandemic-era dive into Long Time Running sent her on a full-blown Tragically Hip tear. And listen, when someone compares Man Machine Poem to a spiritual awakening? You lean in.

We talk about the bittersweet reality of falling in love with a band you’ll never get to see live. About hearing New Orleans Is Sinking at a stoplight and locking eyes with a stranger who just gets it. About putting In Between Evolution on at a vintage guitar shop in Silver Lake and watching Canadian expats break into tears.

Tracey might’ve entered late, but she’s gone deep. We talk Bob Rock beef, the overlooked genius of Now For Plan A, and the beautiful heartbreak of Introduce Yerself. There’s perspective here that’s not just fresh — it’s vital. Tracey reminds us that fandom isn’t about when you found The Hip. It’s about how the songs found you.

🎙️ Next week: We hop across the pond for a transatlantic sit-down with Matt from Portsmouth — whose Hip journey involves LimeWire, mini-discs, and a surprise backstage interview with Gord Downie himself. I shit you not.

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“I heard New Orleans Is Sinking through someone’s car stereo at a red light and sprinted across the intersection just to say ‘Yes!’ That’s how bad I needed to share it.”

👤 About Our Guest

Tracey from Los Angeles is a writer, musician, and former guitar tech with a passport full of shows but one glaring omission: The Hip. Since lockdown, she’s made it her mission to catch up — ripping through live bootlegs, deep dives, and vinyl sleeves like a one-woman Hip renaissance. You’ll find her in Silver Lake, spinning Now For Plan A, converting skeptics one guitar riff at a time.

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TTHTop40 610

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[0:00] On Friday, May 26th, Podlist 6 is coming to you from the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown.

Hey, it's JD here, and I am fucking pumped to be filling you in on the latest Podlist. What is a

Podlist, you ask? It's a podcast playlist. In this case, it's a playlist full of Tragically Hip cover songs

by our talented listeners. Here's the deal this year. You can only choose a song that ranked from

169 to 41. To be included in Podlist 6, you'll need to submit your WAV files either by WeTransfer or

by emailing JD at tthtop40 at gmail.com with Podlist in the subject line. Are you ready to shoot your

shot and become podcast famous? What are you waiting for then?

[0:58] A member of the DATC Media family. Previously on the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown. The

final song on the Phantom Power long play is Emperor Penguin, coming in at number 32. Mr.

Workman, what did you think of this track the first time you heard it? Well, I mean, I was just, I

mean, I get chills even thinking about it. I'm warmed by how playful how kooky and how

impressionist the lyrics are i'm just i i love so much about even even gourd sort of like his glib

dismissal of the of the we've got a uh a caller here with a bachelor degree talking alien invasion is

the only chance for unity i'm sorry to interrupt you caller but that's a physical impossibility the way

he he kind of he he it's a clip of of life that you we would hear if we were driving late at night and

hearing the am radio you know art bells absolutely.

[2:07] Hey, it's JD here, and welcome to the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown. It's an absolute thrill

to be here with you week over week, where we're going to count down the 40 essential tracks by

the hip that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an

abacus and Wilford Brimley's broken down pancreas. How will your favorite song fare in the

rankings? You'll need to tune in every week to find out. So there's that. This week, I'm joined by

tragically hip superfan, Tracy from Los Angeles. How the hell are you doing on this hiptastic day,

Tracy from LA? I'm doing great. The heat has broken a bit here, and it's beautiful out. Oh, that's

wonderful. It's actually here in Toronto. What are we, the 27th? 24. 24th of October. And it's 20, 20

degrees out right now here, like Celsius, Celsius. So like 75. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So got to

go out for a walk and get it while I can.

[3:18] Well, let's get right into this. Let's get right into your TTH origin story or your hipstery. Well, it's

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a little late in the game. I was at before lockdown, I was finally able to see my favorite at the time

band in the world broken social scene. They were coming to Hollywood. And.

[3:42] It was a great concert. It was a smallish theater, and it was just, you know, Kevin Drew was

phenomenal. Yeah. And he started talking about someone he loved who passed away, and a week

or two before, I don't know, and I kind of heard the name, and he was so empathic with it, and it

was touching, but I didn't put it out of my mind. And a few weeks later or a month, I don't remember,

the documentary was on, Long Time Running. Right. And it was sort of getting towards lockdown.

And I put it on and I thought it was like a trucker documentary. I don't know what I thought, but if it's

a documentary, I watch it. And it was good. I mean, it was interesting to see the love for this band

from Canada. And I was, I found it out that being such a rock and roll fanatic since I was a kid and

playing music since I was a kid, I'd never heard of them. I just never heard of them. I'm from New

York, so I wasn't living in Omaha, but I was, you know, in LA.

[4:52] So I lived down the street from the Troubadour, so I mean, I saw everybody, but who are

they? And I put it out of my mind. And then the documentary was on repeat for some reason when

you're stuck in the house and can't go out because of the covid and it was as if every song had

been in my heart forever i know and it was so i never watched the full thing but the second time

every song they played just the music and i said this band.

[5:27] Is so phenomenal. And I don't know how I could have missed him. You know, I worked at a

recording studio in the 80s in Manhattan, and everybody was there, and I never heard of the

Tragically. So I made it my mission during lockdown to learn everything I could and listen to every

live show I could find on the internet and every record. And I just think that as a band, Not just

Gord, but as a band, it's my biggest regret that I'll never see them all together live. I think as a

band, they were just freaking amazing.

[6:08] My heart just sank for you when you said that. Like, I literally could feel like emotion, you

know? It was really, you know, and then learning about Gord after the fact and this tragedy. But I

felt it was this volume of music that I was gifted to learn and listen to for the first time at, you know,

my age, finding them and with a history. And so that was fun. I mean, it still is. I still am

investigating. This is really cool because so far of all the people I've spoke to, you are definitely the

newest hit band. So it's interesting to hear that story that even through the television, it's palpable.

You know TV nothing you know I mean I know that Canadians are very proprietary with this band

and I think and I respect that and I love Canadian singer-songwriters and musicians all my life but I

think of them as singer-songwriters and from Canada I don't think of that I don't have the

connection except for working up there and I feel like part of that is the reason they never crossed

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Not that they wanted to or cared to after a while, but we never got to listen to them. Most of us in

rock and roll never heard of them.

[7:37] And maybe it's, you know, I feel like it's like you can't say anything about them because you're

not Canadian and there is a proprietary sense about the fans and maybe, I don't think that's right. I

think they're universal. Yeah.

[7:54] I can't, I can't disagree with you, you know, like I clearly I'm a big fan and I think they're

universal and I'm standing at the pulpit trying to, you know, get, get that music out there even more.

And it's really interesting. I think it was Rolling Stone just released an article a couple of weeks ago

about the taillights being bright for the Tribe of the Hip. Spin, I think it was Spin. Was it Spin? Okay.

Yeah. And it was really fascinating that, you know, at this point in their career, they are still

garnering as much interest. In fact, I'm going to a theater on November the 1st, which is next

Friday, to see the guys, along with their manager, along with Mike Downey. And I think Patrick will

be there. I'm not 100% certain. But you get a copy of the book.

[8:51] As part of your admission ticket. And then it's like a presentation, like a Q&A thing. And this is

like a pretty prestigious theater in Toronto, the Massey Hall. You probably have heard the Neil

Young album, live from Massey Hall. Yes, Massey Hall and the Rio Statics. That's right. You know

your Canadian music. Well, yeah. I mean, how did I miss these guys? I just don't understand. Yeah,

when you're into broken social scene And you're missing, you know, Broken Social Scene and

Reostatics and these bands, and you're missing the Tragically Hepped from that. That is

mysterious. It is mysterious. That is very mysterious. Maybe it's just, I just don't get it. I still get it.

And, you know, I think it's a credit to them that they, you know, broke into my heart, so to speak,

you know. Oh, I love the word. I think that's what they want to do. They're rock and roll, and that's

that. And then of course there was Gord's solo stuff getting to know that and.

[9:55] Not relating to the secret path, because we have our own issues around things like that. But

again, it was on, and I played it the second time, and the music just jumped out at me. And it was

the most beautiful record. And again, it's like, why aren't people listening to this here? I don't know.

And Introduce Yourself, which was heartbreaking and masterful. I just think that stuff is great. The

Coke Machine Glow and blah. I'm just really a big fan now. So take me through the journey of going

through the records. What was your pathway? Did you start at the start, or did you cherry-pick a

couple records off the top that you were hearing more about? Or what did that look like?

[10:48] You know, I love live music, and uh i think the first one i listened to was road apples because

i like the title or a bit and then i realized and then i you know listen to the live music and of course

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with the access we get now i figured that this band will be i will hear them through the years in their

live music that's accessible and i play them non-stop in the car um great shows that uh and then i

went back and went through the records um you know day for night in violet light.

[11:26] Uh in between evolution and one of my favorites that i think is underappreciated is man

machine poem agreed unfortunate release date but you know i i another one that i walked had it on

and walked by and i went the song machine would have been just a killer song in concert the last

song in the record and it just broke my heart it just was really cool you know so i think and and now

for plan a is another one i i i listened to and look at this i think it's great uh i was listening to this out

this morning rather i just held up my copy of now for plan a for those who are not on the live pay-

per-view feed i i just i think it's a terrific record and a terrific cover Yeah.

[12:20] It's a lot of fun. But the subject matter is not fun. You know, the subject matter of that record

is so deeply personal and tragic almost, right? Yes, the lyrics got more personal, I think, as time

went on because you have to, you know. I think if you're a lyricist like Gord was. But I feel like I'm

just as much a fan of somebody, you know, Jack the Ladd and Kingston, who discovered them in

high school. I really do. And sometimes I don't want to say that because I'm afraid I'll be attacked

as, you know, not Canadian enough. Oh, goodness. No, I would hope that's not the case. But going

back to your theory, you know, there's something really to that, that we do cleave to this band so

tightly that it can be difficult to access for other people that aren't as familiar with it. Even though

we're all evangelists, we're protected at the same time. I never heard them. You know, I mean...

[13:30] You just never heard them. So how can you access them if they were sort of hidden, you

know, to their frustration and to people who've lost out and not hearing them? And, I mean, as

much as Joni Mitchell's from Canada, I never listened to her as, you know, to learn about Canada.

Right. But she did sing about Canada and Saskatoon, whatever. You know, and they all sing about

their country and the Sex Pistols sang about England, but that didn't make me think of them as

English, you know. Right. It was fun, that group. And so the hip, I learned a lot about history,

Canadian history, because they were smart. He was smart and he taught people history, not only

Canadian, but, you know, I learned through him, but as I do many artists through the years. So I

don't think of them as Canadian, except for all the, you know, emotion of the last tour. I just listened

to them as a rock and roll band.

[14:33] Well, that's the way to do it, right? Yeah. Like, it always frustrated me to go to shows. I only

went to one in the U.S., but it was in Buffalo, so it was a stadium show. That's kind of a border

town. Yeah, so it wasn't like a stadium show, but the stories that I hear about club shows with the

hip, usually they were like full of expats, you know, showing off their Canadian-ness. And it was

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like, that's not, I saw them live on Canada Day one year and Gord was in a really pissy mood that

day. Oh, wow. And he came out at the beginning because they were throwing, people were

throwing bottles at Daniel Lanois. Oh my gosh. As he was performing, like Daniel fucking Lanois.

[15:19] Right? And so Gord came out and was basically just venom spitting. And at one point, you

know, somebody... I don't know whether somebody started to sing O Canada or something like that,

but he was like, it's not Canada Day, it's Friday. You know, I kind of, I can see his frustration, you

know. And poor Jane Sibbery on a lot of the tours, why they had her opening on some of their

tours, like Daniel Noir is sort of hard for the fans to overcome. And it's, he must have been

frustrated because they're not nationalistic, I don't think. They were just writers. They were just

musicians and wonderful songwriters as a unit. And I think towards the end, you know, they got the

other band members got a little overshadowed. But I think, you know, I think as a unit, I wish more

bands were that cohesive.

[16:15] And had as wonderful a history as they did, you know. 35 years with the same lineup, same

five guys. That's rare. We were discussing this with Alan Cross and, you know, he listed a litany of

bands that he felt, you know, lived up to that. And it was like, we thought about it afterwards and we

were like, no, no, like, you know, this band's a four-piece, this band's a three, like Rush is a three-

piece band. Rush has been, yeah. You know, and they had a different drummer for one, at one

point and, you know, stuff like that. So, yeah.

[16:53] Fascinating. where um where where do you go right now for your fix other than live music

which record do you throw on when you are feeling it or are you still as early in the process that

you're that you're you know listening to these records for the you know for the second or third time

or are you like deeply into them at this point i i love all of them after um you know i thought in the

beginning they were little rolling stones ish open g tuning um and as saskadel saskadelfia i i don't

that wasn't my thing at all but after um uh fully completely yeah any one of them i could i could put

on and, up through the end except for the.

[17:48] Mick Rock the producer Bob Rock I just don't, Uh, now I understand what happened, but

something happened in those two records I didn't care for. But other than that, I'll put on a Man

Machine poem all day. I don't get sick of their music. I don't get tired of it. This is so cool, Tracy

Formella. This is so cool. You have no idea. Uh, I've talked to a lot of hip fans at this point and, and,

um, it's so nice to welcome a new one to the club. You know, you're not, even though it's not new,

even though it's not new, it's like, you know, It's been since 20, I guess if you saw. 2016. 2016 or

2017, probably, right? It was like November, December. That would make sense if it was 2017

because he passed up over 2017. I mean, 2017, I'm sorry, 2017. Yeah. So you saw Broken Social

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Scene in December or November. Yeah, it was November or December, 2017.

[18:42] You know, I did some, just after lockdown, I worked for a friend part-time at a vintage guitar

store here in Silver Lake, California. I used to live in Silver Lake. I used to live on Taviat Street.

Which one? I don't know that road. Taviat. It's up the hill. Oh, you're in the hills. Yeah, yeah. This

was down by Hoover, by the freeway. And it's still there. And a lot of musicians get their guitars set

up there. And I was playing. I listened to your podcast, and I was listening to the one about

evolution. And I said, I should give that album another listen. And I put on, I was sort of in charge of

music when I was there. And I put on the record in background and the fellow came to pick up his

guitar. And he's looking around and he's saying, who's Canadian here? And I was like, oh, wow,

that thrilled me. And I said, somebody knew who they were, but he was from Canada. So anybody

who came in from Canada, the only thing I'd turn to them and say, tragically it. And their faces

would light up and they'd have a story. That's so great. They'd have a story.

[19:55] One guy cried because he felt such a loss about Gordon. He met Gordon on a golf course, I

think, once. And he told me the story and the owner of the shop came in and rolled his eyes like,

oh, no, you're not another one. You didn't entrap another fan. But nobody from the U.S. I was

running the other day, and I was at a light, Griffith Park Boulevard, and I heard New Orleans is

sinking.

[20:27] I heard it from a stereo and I looked over and there was a young gal in a station wagon of

some sort. And she was blasting the music and it was and she was like, you know, wow. And I ran

over to the car and I went, yes. And she went, yes. And I mean, it was so unusual. OK, that is the

best story ever that you went up to her. I was thrilled. I told friends that and they were like, so. So,

you know, and I probably had my listening to them on my AirPods. So I was like, well, where's that

coming from? Oh, that's tremendous. You know, I didn't ask if she was Canadian. I didn't talk to her,

but we just went like, yeah, through the window. So, you know. So what advice would you have for

somebody getting into the band? I thought about that before. And I thought maybe your favorites,

just to get an overview, because there's so much. I didn't do that, but, you know, and it didn't have

membership on it, which is one of my favorites, but I would point them to that, you know. And then

Day for Night and Violet Light, Fully Completely. You know, it's like, which one, which great record

do you want to recommend? But I haven't turned anybody on to them. Nobody is interested.

[21:55] Or I get, they're like R.E.M. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the only comparison you can make,

really, in terms of an American band. You know. I had seen Rariem since the beginning. I've seen

him many times, and I just never went there. I just, it's so different. I mean, so that's usually the

reaction I get. Unless they're coming into the guitar shop and they're Canadian, then you get a

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reaction. You get a history. You get a little anecdote every time. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. It was

great. So what do you say we get down to business and talk about the album of the week, Tracy,

from L.A.? Sure. All right. We'll take a quick break and we'll be right back after this. Hey, this is Paul

Langlois from the Tragically Hip saying hello. Now on with the countdown. 31.

[22:43] Music.

[26:52] Today, we are looking between the bars at the third track off the 2004 long play In Between

Evolution. Gus, the polar bear from Central Park. Tracy, what are your initial thoughts about Gus

the first time you heard this song? What were your initial thoughts?

[27:11] My initial thoughts were how ingenious it was with the lyrics anthropomorphizing this bear

and wondering, you know, no one's afraid of you anymore? Is that what it is? No one's afraid of

you? or they want to be, no one is afraid. And it really haunted me, those lyrics.

[27:37] Because if I, as a writer, I would have written, poor Gus is in a cage and he's depressed

because he's trapped and he wants to go home to the bears. But it wasn't like that at all. It was

from the inside out as if just isolated and lonely. But you didn't say that. It was just no one's scaring

you anymore, you know. And um it just resonated and it's plus it's a cool song it's a cool song

musically it's just wonderful rock song i think uh talk to me more about that it's just it's got it's got a

rhythm to it and it sounds like a bear in a way you know it's wild you know it sounds like a it sounds

i I don't think there's a word for that in music, but it just, you know, the grating guitar and the pulsing

bass. And it's just very, it's sort of a sad song to me in a sense, you know, but well done. I just, you

know, the whole record is something that came later, I think, for me. And it's just so wonderful. It's

such a rock and roll record. I love it. It really is very rocky, right? Yeah. And it's recording very raw

and it's kind of, Gord sounds a little different.

[28:57] Yeah. It sounds like more of a group project, like they turned on the mics and just went for it.

That's what I sense from it, but, you know. Yeah, I would love to, like, have you watched the

Amazon docuseries? Oh, of course. Yeah, I would guess so, yeah. That was my one, I don't want

to use the word beef, but they really, you know, covered some albums really fully and completely.

And then some other albums were just sort of like two sentences, you know, and it was like, I

wanted to know more about In Between Evolution. Especially the last two records. And then they

did this, and then, you know, so yes, as someone who wants to know more, you're better off

listening to a podcast with Mike separately, you know, to learn more about the band rather than...

[29:52] Just skimming the surface because they had a lot of time to tell those stories but maybe

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people they wouldn't have been able to sell that to america if it was just about recording a record

that no one's heard of maybe i don't know right i thought that was a terrific record and i'd love to

find out the um what went into these records what what it was like and and you did with the bob

rock, incident which cleared up so much for me and i'm i wish there was more of that nuts and bolts

and and raw edges of a band together for that long but uh you know what story that was that was

great oh yes wonderful so wonderful so yeah i believe they recorded this one in seattle with like a

producer that you know had alternative cred it sounded like it sounds like that yeah it does sound

like that right it doesn't have that early 90s production like that muddy sort of, you know, muddy

production that Alternative sometimes had, but it's got that polished version of it. Raw energy. But

it's raw. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know how to describe it. Almost a day for a night. And I feel like

Gord was kind of just, you know, yelling in a way that was wonderful into the, you know, it just felt

very live to me and different. So I really enjoyed that. And Gus was a standout.

[31:13] Yeah, it is. And of course, vaccination scar and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Well, vaccinations are

a great single. I'm just going to look up really quickly. I don't normally look things up in the middle of

this, but I want to look up really quickly.

[31:28] In between Evolution, this is riveting podcasting, I know, and somebody's looking for it. Is it

true that I haven't written jazz?

[31:36] I just want to see what the signals... It was, yeah, I thought it was a single. It was the third

single off the record. I mean, isn't that bananas? Yeah. That Gus was a single? It's not a single... I

don't think it's a single record. It's an album track.

[31:53] Yeah, but... So it's just hard, I guess, to figure this out. For America or a single, but it's not a

single album. It's just an album, you know, I think. And then the second one was, yeah, we won't go

into that, but yes, so that is an odd single. How do you explain that? I don't know. Gus. I don't know.

Yeah. Like even the title alone, right? Like is a mouthful. But he went for it. But he went for it. They

always take risks. I like that. That's the one thing you can tell. The records are a departure almost

every time. And I'm sure it was a fight between five guys with a lot of personality and, you know,

creative energy and working together year after year and putting out very different, you know,

records. I mean, I would love to hear more about that. Oh, me too. Yeah. Me too. Have you picked

up a copy of the book? Not yet, no. No? I would love to get one of the limited ones but I'll probably

find it on eBay in 10 years for a happy copy of the book and uh.

[33:13] I'd love to see it. I got the bookstore edition. The limited edition was just too rich for my

blood. I was like, oh, this kills me. Especially when they've got a box set coming out this year, you

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know, that I really want. What is that? I'm not sure. What's the box set? They're re-releasing up to

here. They're re-issuing up to here. So it'll be remastered and it'll be on vinyl. comes with a live

record and a record of Rarity's note takes as well. Oh, that's great. I hope they do that for the later

records eventually. They've done it for Phantom Power. Right. I mean, like, Plan A. Oh, I hope so

too. It's not going to happen. I don't have faith in it, but I hope so. Yeah, it's not going to happen. I

feel like there's a hipposance happening right now, though, like in general. Um, you know, I don't

normally talk business on this, but like podcast numbers are up. Like my tragically hit podcast

numbers are, are up. Uh, and the only thing to explain that is the docu series. And with the docu

series comes buzz and curiosity and maybe, um, you know, maybe it'll, it'll, uh, have a second,

second. I think, you know, people are seeing down here, you know, Gord and what was so

charismatic about him.

[34:43] And then, and the band, they just never experienced it. So I hope that like a girl in the car at

the stoplight are experiencing it for the first time like I did, you know. Oh, I love it. I love it. That's

great.

[34:58] Well, Tracy from L.A., it's been wonderful talking to you today. Thank you for having me. I

really hope your journey through HIPTOM continues and continues to make your life richer. This is

really a wonderful story to hear, and I'm thrilled that I had the opportunity. So, thank you. Well, so

am I. Thank you for all you've done. I appreciate it. Absolutely. And that's what I've got for you this

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