The Tragically Hip Top Forty Countdown: Song Thirty-Six – Dave from St. Louis

Hey, it’s jD, and this week I’m joined by Dave from St. Louis — a Hiphead from the Midwest whose fandom was forged in a hockey guide, confirmed at a Page & Plant gig, and solidified somewhere between a Chicago bar and a Detroit meet-and-greet with Gord himself. Not bad for a guy living in a country where The Hip didn’t always hit the airwaves.

Dave’s Hipstory starts in ’95, when he stumbled into a live set that left him stunned. From there, it was all about chasing down records, trading bootlegs, and road-tripping to every show within 500 miles. This is a guy who’s seen the band in Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, London (England, not Ontario — though probably that too), and got married at Lakeside Park while quoting The Hip in his vows. Real talk.

We dig into how fandom works across borders — especially when your favorite band doesn’t tour your town after ’98. Dave breaks down how music became his map, how No Dress Rehearsal became a mantra, and why some lyrics mean even more when you’ve had to fight to find them.

Also: The time he got to thank Gord in person. The Hip album he thinks gets unfair hate. And how the community around this band keeps surprising him — even now, nearly three decades in.

🎙️ Next week: We head back to Kingston with Bill — broadcaster, writer, longtime Hip supporter, and the guy with the most Gord interviews on the planet. Expect stories, insight, and pure reverence.

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“I got to meet Gord and say thank you. I told him how much it all meant. He smiled and said ‘You’re very kind.’ That moment — it’s frozen in my brain.”

👤 About Our Guest

Dave from St. Louis is a longtime Hip fan, hockey guy, and human mixtape with a passport full of concert stubs and a heart full of lyrics. He fell for the band in the mid-’90s and has been criss-crossing North America to see them ever since. He’s also got the rare distinction of incorporating a Downie lyric into his wedding vows and sharing his honeymoon with Discovering Downie Live. Respect.

He lives in Missouri with his wife, his dogs, and what we can only assume is a stack of Maxell tapes labelled “LIVE – MUST KEEP.”

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The Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown

2025-05-23, 6:12 PM

The Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown

Artist: jD

Year: 2025

Transcript

[0:00] A member of the DATC Media family. Previously on the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown.

From Man Machine Poem comes an absolute monster. In a world possessed by the human mind,

Devin from Stouffville. What do you recall about the first time you heard the second track from the

hip's last record? If I'm going to use the theme of the day, it would be nostalgic. It was a new song,

but it was an old song. It felt like Phantom Power. It felt like something on. It felt like that, boom, I'm

here. It had a cadence that I had missed in some of their most recent albums. It had a ferocity that I

had missed, but also such a gentleness. I'm not trying to wax poetic. It just caught me. It caught me

because I was still cherry picking. And off of this album, there wasn't a lot until I understood why it

was really important later on.

[0:55] Music.

[1:02] Hey, it's Jay-Z here, and welcome to the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown. It's my pleasure to

be with you week over week, counting down the 40 essential songs by the hip that you selected

with your very own top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a garrison of

bionic capybaras. Highly trained, but reluctant to fully commit to the cause. How will your favorite

songs fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in every week to find out. So there's that. This week,

I'm joined by TTH superfan Dave in St. Louis. How the hell are you doing on this hiptastic day, my

friend? I'm doing hiptastically well, sir. Great to talk to you, JD. It is great to talk to you. yes thanks

for uh thanks for having me on i've i've been a fan of yours ever since the days with you and granny

doing fully and completely and all the various podcasts you've done through the years since then

and i've been a huge fan of yours so i'm really looking forward to uh being being a part of it today

myself so this is great oh that's so wonderful of you to say thank you so much dave yes you're

welcome man yeah that's cool okay well Well.

[2:25] You know, I would love to bask in the glory a little longer, but this is about you and your

hipstery, your tragically hip origin story. Talk to me about that, Dave, in St. Louis. So how does

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somebody in St. Louis, Missouri, where there is no outlets that play any hip music whatsoever, how

do I get into the hip? Well... My first, that I can remember anyway, hearing of the band, was way

back in late 94, early 95. I'm also a huge hockey fan, and I love my St. Louis blues. And so I had a

media guide of theirs back then. And as I was thumbed through it, each of the players had a little

mini bio.

[3:13] Talked about where they're from, etc., where they play, all that good stuff. And also some of

them had like listed their favorite bands and i noticed that all the canadian, players uh had that

tragically hip as their favorite band and so that's where i first kind of was like oh well maybe this is

something i should check out if all these hockey players are getting into this band you know maybe

something's going on here well not too long And after that, it was announced that The Hip were

going to be the opening band for Robert Plant and Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin when they came to

town in May of 95. Wow. So I thought, well, okay, this would be my chance to check out this band

and see what they're all about. So I had not heard any of their music whatsoever. I had no idea who

they were. I just knew they were from Canada, that people liked them.

[4:10] So when I saw them open I immediately became Like an instant fan, You know Of course not

knowing any of the music I could still see that this band Was both really a tight Knit group but they

also had Enough you know fluidity That they were very loose as well, And then Fronting the band

was this Singer who I'd never seen anybody Like he was you know he was being gordony uh just

very spastic and you know animated on stage as he you know used to be back then well actually

throughout his whole career but even more back in the 90s um big time yeah yeah yeah and i just

immediately was drawn to them and i you know had a great time that night i loved the page of plant

show as well but i left the building really excited that i discovered this new band and so about a

week later uh back in those days too we had a you know cd shops where you could go in and buy

sell trade so i took in some old cds and traded them in and they essentially at this one store had

what i call the tragically hit starter pack they had The first EP, Up to Here.

[5:32] Road Apples, and Fully Completely. And I got those plus a Rush bootleg for all my trade and

stuff. And it was, I mean, it was a great deal. Plus, I believe I got... Day for night through the

through those old columbia columbia house trading or record companies if you remember those i

don't know if they had those in canada or not sure it did yep yeah well i got day for night going that

way so i really at beginning right there i had all the hip albums and i you know i really leaned into

them hard and discovered that the two albums that really hit me right away were fully completely

and day for night because they were so different too you know that it showed the different sides of

the band that they were willing to kind of grow and experiment too um but fully completely was the

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was the first one that really you know got my attention and not only the music but then eventually

the lyrics started to you know seep their way into my consciousness to where, you know.

[6:40] Gord would say something and you kind of turn your head, you know, all Pavlov dog-like and

go, what, huh? You know, one of those first lyrics was courage. It couldn't come at a worse time. I,

uh, I just, I just ruminated over that for the longest time. And then of course there were other, other

songs of his, uh, you know, that were really catching my you know and then and as far as the uh

canadian content as well you know i'm i've always been kind of a fan of canada i mean i've loved

hockey i'm the big rush fan so i kind of know about you know canadian stuff from there and so then

listen to all this history that, gourd was uh weaving in and out of the songs was really cool too you

know as as an american, I didn't know any of this stuff, you know? No, that's Canadian. And I don't

even know if he's Canadian until he started singing about it. That's right. You know? So I really

enjoyed that aspect of it as well.

[7:42] So continuing on, though, this was the mid-'90s. I saw him a couple more times here in St.

Louis. They played some small clubs after that big show with Paige and Plant. But then they never

came back after 98. The Phantom Power Tour was the last time they were here. Like at all? Yeah,

that was the last time they played St. Louis was in 1998. Yeah.

[8:08] And, you know, the other thing, too, that I was into at that time was tape trading, you know,

because this was still the semi early days of the Internet. But there was tape trading groups that

you could be a part of And get concerts, bootlegs, TV shows, whatever From people all over, And

so I had some Canadian friends Who I would get stuff from Much Music And bootleg concerts of

the hip And some of the specials that Much Music would run So I was able to kind of keep up with

this band And even though they weren't on any medium here in St. Louis at all, I've never, to this

day, I still have never heard a tragically hip song on a local St. Louis radio station. Oh, yeah. So,

but anyway, so I was able to, you know, really get into them despite not living there. And so I

started going on road trips to go see him. And I went to Chicago a couple of times in the early

2000s.

[9:18] Um i made my way to detroit uh with my first wife um who also got into them as well and we

went saw them play two nights up in detroit back in 09 and on that particular trip is we got to meet

the band uh on both nights we we stayed after the show uh wait for them to come wait for them to

come out and they came out and uh you know we took a bunch of pictures with them got to talk to

them wow while um got him i had a bunch of uh bill barocco hockey cards that i had on each of

them signed for me um you know which i then put into a nice display uh you know for my man

cave, and that's great um i mean it was really cool man because then the next night i went met him

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again And then during the day that day, I got a couple of pictures made at the, you know, the CVC

or CVS. And, you know, so to this day, one of my most prized possessions is a picture of me and

Gore Downey that he personally signed to me.

[10:26] Uh oh yeah yeah and yeah i mean it is really yeah it's one of my favorite possessions you

know uh yeah and he was very nice of course he's off stage very quiet and low-key nothing like he

is when he's on stage you know um so yeah and then um after that that was you know nice so i

saw him again in dallas in 15 i had you know went a few years without seeing him and then uh you

know when gord got diagnosed with his brain cancer in 16 um i had no choice but to make a road

trip up to london we we we fought like hell to.

[11:07] Get some tickets and so we got tickets to go see them in london ontario and good it was um

yeah it was a and let me here's a great part of that story is Of course, when we bought the tickets,

we didn't know at that time that I was going to have hernia surgery one week before the show. Oh,

shit. Yeah. So I had this. I was still in a lot of pain and pretty weak from it. So I called the venue a

few days before the show, and I said, hey, we're going to be driving up from St. Louis.

[11:44] We've already got tickets. If you could just give me a wheelchair to get my girlfriend to push

me up to the, because we had upper level seats there at the Budweiser Gardens.

[11:56] So when we, they said, okay, well, when you get here, just come to guest services and we'll

take care of you. And so we get to the venue, we get inside, go to guest services. They take our

tickets from the upper deck of the venue And then give us new tickets that put us in the penalty box

On the floor about 15 rows from the state Jesus Christ Yeah, so me and my girlfriend We got to see

that show all by ourselves in the penalty box And it was absolutely magnificent, Two minutes of

being awesome, What's that? Two minutes for being awesome. Yeah. Minor penalty, you know?

Yeah. And, um, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, of course the show was amazing and so cathartic to be

able to say goodbye to Gord and, and just be a part of that energy. And I believe you saw some

Toronto shows, correct? If I'm not mistaken. I saw the middle Toronto show. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. So, you know what that was like and how intense that was. And, I mean, I've been to

hundreds and hundreds of shows, and that's still absolutely in the top five of all time. I mean, you

just can't get any better than that, you know.

[13:16] And, yeah, so, you know, and so since then, you know, of course, I tuned into the broadcast

from Kingston later, you know, a week later, a couple weeks later, whatever it was. And even

though the band's been largely dormant since then, I still listen to them all the time. They're a

regular part of my music listening, along with a bunch of other bands that I still listen to, and also I

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still try to get into new music as well. So the hip have remained, you know, really relevant to me,

um, you know, ever since that mid nineties show and like also to, I'll tell you, JD shows like yours

fully completely. And the other podcasts you've done have helped keep them alive for us fans too,

you know, and, and, and, and relevant. And we're still talking about them and what they mean to us

and everything. So, um, you know, that's sort of my, it's really important. You know, to fly the flag,

right? Yes, exactly. I mean, well, the thing is, man, I really feel that the rest of the world missed out

big time on this band. I mean, they should have been one of the greatest, looked at worldwide as

one of the greatest bands of all time, which is how you and I look at them.

[14:38] But I mean, the rest of the world really missed out. And there's a lot of friends and then

other, you know, acquaintances, you know, who find out that I'm into the hip and they're like, oh,

yeah, man, those guys were good. I just wish I could have known about them earlier. Well, you had

30 years or 40 years to learn about them, you know. Right. So at least we have the music now And

that'll always be with us And Gord will still speak to us In his.

[15:07] Oblique ways And poetic ways That he does For the rest of the time As long as we have

things to listen to music on So, That pretty much takes us to the current date Well, you know what I

want you, before we get into The song of the week I want you to share the story of Uh, how we met

like face to face. Yes. Yes. So yeah, it was, uh, a few months ago. Well, yeah, we're recording this

in late, uh, 24, but back in July, um, uh, my wife and I, we, we, uh, took a road trip from St. Louis

and we drove up through Buffalo and Niagara Falls and, um, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh up because i'm a big rush fan we had already planned to meet up with a

bunch of rush heads in toronto for that that week in july that you guys also had your get together uh

for the um discovering downy podcast that's right and um so once you planned that it was like a no-

brainer to also go to that as well um so on our way up we uh stopped and got married in St.

Catharines, Ontario at Lakeside Park, which is very famous to Rush fans.

[16:30] You know, Neil Peart wrote a song about that on one of Rush's albums and he grew up just a

couple blocks from there. So being a huge Rush fan of being... I mean, I look at Neil Peart just like I

look at Gord Downey, just two amazing.

[16:48] Lyricists and musicians and it just so happened they... Both came from Canada and died of

the same thing, which was really odd. Very odd. Yeah, yeah. But I think they were both different

kinds of brain cancer, though. Were they not? I don't think they were both. They both were

geoblastoma. Yeah. Really? Christ. Yeah. But one of the cool things about getting married there,

too, is we hired an officiant from Ontario because that was part of the deal. But we got to write our

own vows, and at the very end of our vows, we incorporated the lyric, no dress rehearsal, this is our

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life. It's part of our wedding vows. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and of course, that line is

beautiful. And, you know, even people in my circle who don't know the hip, they know that line.

[17:45] You know, and that line says a lot, too. so, Um, yeah, we had a great time. And then of

course we got to meet you and the other guys from the podcast. And we also met Patrick Downey

that night, which was a, which, which was a great honor. Um, so yeah, we met and I, it was so, it

was just really cool JD to meet you. And like I said, I've, I've enjoyed your work for years now and,

and to finally get to meet you guys in person. And it was just a real treat. So, and that night was a

real fun night too, seeing the almost hip tribute band play. And, um, you know, we don't get tributes

down here for the hip at all. We got plenty of tribute bands that come to St. Louis, but nobody from

the hip, obviously are playing the hip that is. So that was just a fun night. And I hope, I hope to get

back up there again sometime, but we'll, we'll have to see how things pan out. We're just thrilled

that we got to be, that we got to be, you know, a small part of like a really special road trip right

yeah you know that was thrilling for us yeah yeah and that hey it just hey it just so happened

everything worked out perfectly you know yeah yeah and um so yeah we had a we had a great

time there and i think i i shared a picture with you not too long ago of I still had one of the podcast

Pilsner beers left over. Oh, right. Yeah.

[19:13] I can't remember. One of the guys gave me a couple of them. Probably Justin. Yeah. Right

before we left that night. Yeah. He was the keeper of the beer.

[19:25] Yeah. So. What do you say, David St. Louis? Should we shift gears here and start talking

about the song of the week? Sure. Yeah, let's do that. All right. We'll be back right after this. Hey,

this is Paul Langlois from the Tragically Hip saying hello. Now on with the countdown. 36.

[19:45] Music.

[24:12] Greasy Jungle is the kind of song that oozes into you. You may not have liked it off the first

few spins, but it's a grower. And what a testament to what a grower it is. The fact that it's inside the

top 40. Dave from St. Louis. What is your first memory of greasy jungle well um you know i know

part of the uh thing that you're you're going for in the podcast or at least one of the questions you

have is what is the first song that you heard by the hip and even though that night uh in may of 95 i

didn't know any of their songs, I'm 99.9% sure that Greasy Jungle was probably the first one that

stuck out to me purely because I love the, what's the part from the chorus that I remember that on

that night. And that would be very memorable live. What's that? That would be very memorable

live. Yes, yeah. And I remember that from that night. So, That's what sticks out to me is the first

time I heard Greasy Jungle was actually the first time I saw them in concert.

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[25:33] And, of course, I mentioned earlier that the first two albums that I got into were Fully

Completely and Day for Night, which, of course, has Greasy Jungle. And that absolutely stood out

as one of my favorite songs from the get-go. I know in your intro, you called it a grower. in my case

it was instant where i was like oh man this is my jam you know oh that's fascinating this is what's so

great about this band you know yeah yeah and and the other thing you said about how it oozes into

you what the reason i when when we you know when you first gave me an option of you know hey

pick a song for the week kind of thing um you know i gave you a list of four or five songs and you

know of course you chose greasy jungle and of those four or five songs all of them had a kind of

common thread in that they're very oblique and um sometimes you don't know what gourd's trying

to get at with his lyrics and they can be so you know just so.

[26:36] Seemingly random but they're all so poetic and you can tell he's putting these words in place

perfectly where he wants them to be you know and greasy jungle is just a great example of some of

the lyrics are so you don't really know you know like the standing at the sink and feeling the warm

water and washing dishes and looking out the window where a gymnast is melting in the air and oh

i mean what the hell's going on there gordon i have no idea but that's what's also The cadence, the

cadence of the way he sings that, that whole sequence that you just went through is so poetic as

well. It's beautiful. The pentameter of it, or the meat, the meter of it. Sorry. And, um, uh, yeah.

[27:25] I forgot what I was going to say. Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, that's cool. And that's, you know, the

meter of a lot of what the way Gord sings in many of his songs is so unconventional. I know you

and Greg pointed that out so many times when you were dissecting each album that he, you know,

he has a way of singing like nobody else where he fits in the words. And you're like, how the hell

did he get that there? you know, um.

[27:57] But yeah, I mean, the, you know, continuing on though, with, with some of these lyrics, like a

velvet callow, you know, I still don't know what the hell a velvet callow is, you know, it's so evocative

though, right? Like, even though we don't know what it is, it's like, you can visualize something.

Exactly. Yes, it is about that. Oh my gosh. It's such a good word to use there but you know the other

thing you know we go throughout this whole song and he's you know showing you all these really

like dreamlike images you know and then at the end you know he says i picked up your house coat

i dried my hands and touched your hair and just then you awoke and he ends it like gore does

oftentimes with some sort of you know offhanded comment well you could never really barely care

you know it's like he you know he goes through all these images and all these views and then at

the very end it's like oh you could barely care oh man and it's like he does that a lot of times where

he pulls that rug out from under you and you know sometimes you're left standing sometimes

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you're left wobbling sometimes Sometimes you just fall on your ass trying to figure out what the hell

it means. You know.

[29:21] You know, so that's what I love about this song. And of course, so many other, you know,

songs by the hip and Gord himself on his solo stuff is when he gets into that elite territory. And it's

kind of like, you're, it's like, you're looking through mesh and you're trying to decipher what the

heck, you know, what am I looking at here? What is he trying to say? and it can mean anything to

anybody and that's the beauty of it it'll mean something completely different to you something

different to me hell even something different to each of the band members i'm sure you know so um

yeah that's that's what i have to say about greasy jungle it's just it's one of those really cool hip

songs that um i think and i'm not surprised it ended up in the top 40 it absolutely deserves to be

there, yeah I think so I think so I would have a difficult time uh thinking of the top 40 without this

song in it yeah, So good job. Good job, Balladhurst.

[30:29] Yeah, you know, of course, I don't have any idea what any of the other rankings were. Hell, I

don't even know where this ranks at. I like the fact that you're kind of holding your cards close to

your vest or close to your chest on this, you know, so that we're all surprised. Yeah, exactly. Yep.

So I'm looking forward to seeing where this falls in. Well, speaking of surprise, Dave in St. Louis,

I've got a surprise for you. Do you want to try your hand at making a prediction of what maybe the

top three will be? You don't have to give them in order. You could just give me what you think your

top three. Well, I mean, if I have to go by just sheer popularity or what my perceived popularity from

Canada is, I know that I would almost think Bob Cajun has to be up in that top three, ahead by a

century.

[31:33] Um uh and maybe something like what would be a radio staple up there like new orleans is

sinking.

[31:42] Um yeah something like that so those are your picks for the top three well some sort of in

some sort of order you're just spitballing i know i'm not going to hold you to it right but i'm saying

that i'm saying that based on my perceived popularity my personal top three hip songs would be

probably different than that for sure um you know like lake fever still is well i love that song again

that's another one of those songs where the lyrics are a little open to interpretation and sure you

know and it's great you know i love uh tiger the lion which is another you know song that does that

um oh you're speaking to me with your music at work references here this oh man it's such a great

album such a great album and i know people often overlook it and i know you know from watching

the uh the hip documentary on uh on amazon you know that was where they started to kind of

splinter off a little bit according to johnny fey anyway and but i mean i'll tell you what they still nailed

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it quite a bit with that album there yeah he he is right that in some of their later albums they do get a

little disjointed here and there but hell jd it just a disjointed hip album is still going to be a

masterpiece if you ask yeah you're not wrong there's there's very i mean they release 14 fucking

records and.

[33:12] And an ep or is it 13 and any no it's 14 and an ep and it's like, they're all good. They've all

got, they've all got a place in like, it's very tough to rank those records and it's very tough to rank

these songs as well. I realized that I realized the task I gave you guys all was Herculean in nature,

but you were up to the task and, uh, you know, we're having some fun with this. Oh yeah. Yep. Yep.

So, um, yeah, those, I don't want to, one of the things you talked about in the, uh, description of the

show is that, go-to albums, um, or go-to songs. I would absolutely put fandom power, uh, and

music at work. Like if I haven't listened to the hip in a while, I'm going to put on one of those two

albums first, probably just cause I love the way I, well, I just love the way they flow and all the

songs are great. And, um, yeah, so that was, I, I mean, of course I love all the albums, but those

would be my go-to or if like if i'm gonna try and turn somebody on to the hip i'm gonna play in

phantom power or fully completely it's funny because i listened to phantom power today a couple

times.

[34:33] Uh just because like when i'm doing work in the morning i throw some music on and just

listen to it and i never go to phantom power never and so today i was like yeah i'm gonna go to

phantom of power and you're right it's very you know it's it's it's just a great record the time just

melted away as i was listening to it like it was before i knew it it was emperor penguins yep yep and

i didn't skip anything so and i the other i guess one of the other things that keeps that album

sticking out my mind it was the last time that they put with that when they toured on that album It

was the last time they played St. Louis and I got up super, I got up like right up close at this very

small club in St. Louis, right in front of Rob Baker. You know, just mere feet from him and Gord

Sinclair and holding, I mean, just being right up front with those guys on that album and that tour

was just a super, super memory of mine. I got, what a great show that was just packed in like

sardines and everybody going nuts. It was crazy.

[35:39] Oh, that was fantastic. Ah, I wish I had seen them in a really small, not really small, but like a

club, like a, you know, venue like that. I saw them in the theater. I saw them in a theater and that

was nice. But, you know, you don't remember, um, you might've seen them on that tour. One of

those small, like, what was it? Like a preview show or something. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You're

right. Good memory. Yeah. Well, again, I had much music at that time. by that time I had much

music on my own cable system here in St. Louis. Get out of here. And they broadcast that show on

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much music. So I recorded it. Oh my God. Yeah. I got a bunch of, to this day, I still have a good

couple dozen, you know, VHS tapes that have various tragically hip things on them. You got to get

that shit converted, son.

[36:34] Yeah. Yeah. Well, thankfully a lot of it is online already. Um, I'd have to go through and see

which ones aren't, but, um, pretty much if it was on much music, it's, it's now online somewhere,

you know? Yeah, pretty much. You're right. I think a lot of people have, you know, a lot, a lot of

people whose archival, uh, acumen is much greater than mine have made sure that that was the,

is, is the case. So I plug it as often as I can, but you know, visit the hip archive.com over 500 shows

there that Darren, uh, Darren has put up and, uh, some great stuff. So he has done a yeoman's

work doing that. I mean, just like you said, over 500 shows, just great. I can't, uh, just, uh, just

awesome. Yeah. Fantastic. Well, Dave in St. Louis, it has been absolutely delightful, uh, talking with

you once again. It's been, you know, a little while, but, um, You were just a great guest and I'm

really grateful that you stopped by and told us your history and broke down the song of the week

with us. And that's what I've got for you today on this, the fifth episode.

[37:59] Music.

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