The Tragically Hip Top Forty Countdown: Song Thirty-Three — Greg from Toronto

Hey, it’s jD, and this week I’m joined by Greg from Toronto — an American-born, Canadian-claimed Hiphead who had the great misfortune of missing way too many concerts thanks to a bartending career and some tragically timed shift work. (But when he did finally catch them live? Oh baby. Worth the wait.)

Greg’s Hipstory is proof that sometimes all it takes is one red cassette and a stack of free promos to rewire your musical DNA. We talk about the sweaty brilliance of Road Apples, the plasticky glory of early ’90s merch, and how the Hip’s lyrics helped decode a country he was trying to call home. He tells us about seeing the band for the first (and only) time during the In Violet Light tour, and how that single show blew the roof off everything he thought he knew about live performance.

There’s a healthy dose of nerding out over Day for Night (obviously), praise for the always-slept-on Now for Plan A, and even a sidebar about walking past the El Mocambo just in time to catch Limblifter soundcheck Ariel vs. Lotus. (You can’t make this shit up.)

🎙️ Next week: We hit the jackpot with none other than Hawksley Workman — a JUNO-winning, genre-hopping legend from Huntsville who’s bringing a Phantom Power track and some surreal stories along for the ride.

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“Road Apples was like a red cassette full of sweaty enthusiasm. It wasn’t just good — it helped me understand this country. It showed me Canada through someone else’s eyes.”

👤 About Our Guest

Greg from Toronto is a podcaster, bartender-turned-culture sponge, and longtime collaborator in jD’s Hip universe. He co-hosted Fully & Completely, where he helped take the piss and plant the flag on many a Hip album. His deep dives into lyrics, love for Canadian music, and Midwestern-in-Canada charm make him the kind of guest who drops a Pearl Jam and Neil Young anecdote one minute and a nod to Johnnie Fay’s Instagram page the next.

He’s seen a lot of bands. Only one changed how he saw himself in the world.

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[0:00] On Friday, May 26th, Podlist 6 is coming to you from the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown.

Hey, it's JD here, and I am fucking pumped to be filling you in on the latest Podlist. What is a

Podlist, you ask? It's a podcast playlist. In this case, it's a playlist full of Tragically Hip cover songs

by our talented listeners. Here's the deal this year. You can only choose a song that ranked from

169 to 41. To be included in Podlist 6, you'll need to submit your WAV files either by WeTransfer or

by emailing JD at tthtop40 at gmail.com with Podlist in the subject line. Are you ready to shoot your

shot and become podcast famous? What are you waiting for then?

[1:00] A member of the DATC Media family. Previously on the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown.

That's right. Today we're revealing a standout on the hip's 11th studio long play, We Are the Same.

Today's song is the absolutely gorgeous, The Depression Suite. Great. Tyler from Etobicoke, what

are your initial thoughts about this song when you first heard it? Yeah. So, I mean, this album, We

Are The Same, is such an interesting part of their catalog. You know, we talked about the Bob Rock

albums a little bit in the previous segment. And, you know, sonically, it's a very, you can hear the

hallmarks of Bob Rock if you've heard any other Bob Rock albums that he's produced. There are

certain hallmarks that you can hear, the way the drums are tuned, the way the mix is done, where

the focus is at any particular time.

[2:01] Music.

[2:06] Hey, it's JD here, and welcome back to the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown. It is my

pleasure to be with you week over week, counting down the 40 essential songs by the hip that you

selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I simply tabulated the results using an abacus and a

mysterious figure with a promise to streamline my tabulation process. It's too bad because the dude

turned out to be three raccoons in a trench coat with an MBA. How will your favorite songs fare in

the rankings? You'll need to tune in every week to find out. So there's that this week I'm joined by

TTH superfan Greg in Toronto Greg it's been a minute man how the fuck are you doing on this hip-

tastic thing pretty darn good I say it's nice to see you J.D. it's been a while, It has been, dude. I

think it was your birthday party was the last time I saw you. Not your most recent birthday party, but

your milestone birthday party. I think it was 45, right? I've turned 45 at some point. So let's say yes.

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I know. I've seen you more recently than 45. I'm 48 now. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. Definitely.

Either way, more than a day is too long. Yeah. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. I'm getting aroused.

[3:27] Well let's go into this let's hear about your tth origin story well well it begins uh in toronto, and i

am from the united states of america i'm not sure if you're familiar with it um yeah i uh moved here

when i was 10 years old um and i've been here since uh so but you know when you change,

countries or any kind of you know cultural surrounding it's a little bit hard to fit in and maybe don't

get the culture and you know i didn't come from a uh i came from the midwest but not a very

hockey midwest and there was some growing pains for me i'm trying to fit in, canada i was you

know i loved it here right away and i still do obviously and um but you know it took a bit of time and

then i my first job uh working under the table.

[4:20] Um was for canadian music business magazine the record which is like billboard but uh less

interesting right like less less stats mostly charts right business news it wasn't it was like not a

magazine no interesting articles about bands like a totally uh all charts like what's who's who's

climbing the country charts in canada 91 um and but one of the so i was paying her to the table

there all i did was label envelopes and run around a little bit and but one of the benefits was there

were free cassettes now and again promotional oh shit so i would take some home here and there

lots of garbage lots of let's see what's up here you know um but one time it was uh road apples uh

and i knew the band i knew the name of the band and i knew new orleans is sinking i think. But it

just, for all the reason, wasn't mine. I didn't have the tape yet. And so this was, you know, I was

like, I'll grab this. Why not? I know this name. Let's see what's up with this band. And not 100%

sure what to expect based on the album cover. I'm not, you know. It was misleading, or not

misleading, but it was let's say ambiguous to the genre. And yeah, I was like, well, I'll take this

home, give it a spin or whatever. And I was I don't know if I want to say shocked, but.

[5:50] Uh, I was definitely aroused by the intensity of the, the album within that nice red cassette.

Um, um, Yeah, the sweaty enthusiasm of that record. It's confident as hell. And the riffs were so

good. And there was so much moxie and attitude and thoughtfulness. And I was kind of blown

away. It was really, I was like, this is pretty exciting. And as I grew with the band from that album, I

don't really remember what time period this was, if it was summer or not. But as I grew with them

and listening to the lyrics and understanding more.

[6:31] I was also fortunate enough that that same under-the-table job fully, completely came out

next, and I got a free T-shirt with the album cover. But it was like the 90s T-shirt, so made out of

cardboard, and the print on it was, I think, weighed 12 pounds. Just so much plasticky goop on it.

Not really a great shirt, but nice looking. um but as an american uh child uh growing up in a

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canadian world it was uh immediately interesting to me because i saw i saw canada through

somebody's eyes and i understood it in a way that i hadn't before um just small cultural things and

i'm sorry to say i'm still not a hockey guy but i get it now.

[7:23] Uh right right we all remember you're a big cfl guy i gave it a good shot um, uh and quite a

game this past one uh this last great guy anyway it was uh it really it colored canada for me in a lot

of ways and it was uh it helped me just i don't get people a little more myself my role in it and it just

was uh it was so welcoming and eye-opening and I can't think of any other experience I've had with

a band that had that sort of, um, eye-opening effect where you see not only maybe the music

differently, but your surroundings. It really affected my space. That doesn't happen too often, or

maybe never. I can't think of anyone else who's done that to me. I'm grateful for it. It was quite a

journey. It might still be my favorite record, Road Apples. In a decade of significant albums, which it

quite was, that was one of the most.

[8:29] It's interesting, you know, because I've talked to a lot of people now doing this and people's

go-to record or their favorite record. I hear time and time again, well, it changes and that's fair. But I

also think all of us probably have three or four up our sleeves that are, you know, the ones that we

go to the most often and they tend to be sort of era specific. Like, so like I couldn't get, I couldn't get

the satisfaction I needed from road apples if I was craving day for night, for example, you know? So

they're so different. And I mean, like decade by decade, there's a lot of change. I mean, they

changed a lot within the nineties, but you know, there is something that I get out of in between

evolution that I don't get from anything else, you know? Right. Exactly. Not just slept on record. Yes.

It's very good.

[9:24] Yeah. I agreed. Agreed. You've turned me on to the whole time. I love that. Yeah, the later

decade is quite good. Quite good. Yeah. So did you ever, so you were caught up in real time for

fully, it sounds like, uh, was day for night a big hit for you? It was beyond, or did you just, I was like,

this band's great. Really love this band. And like, oh, you know, and their effect on me personally,

but day for night was the watershed moment for me where I just like, I love this group and this is my

favorite thing they've done. I went nuts for it, you know, because I do tend to lean towards that, the

darker, artsier side of the band than I do, say, the up-to-here side of the band. That's no shade, of

course, but that's just where I land.

[10:17] And, yeah, so Day for Night was, that was, oh, man, it was just, there's, like, so much. Again,

in a decade of very significant music. And I was at that age where a good album or a great album is

world-changing, which could have been a drop in the bucket, just another album by another band.

They dropped something totally unique and vibrant and exciting in the middle of this really jam-

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packed decade and redefined themselves. They're different after that. How they're perceived.

Amazing artistic threshold push.

[10:58] I always call that and people, I mean, I've done enough of these podcasts at this point, but I

always call that record, the record that they went from beer to pot. You know, like it just, it just feels

like less holding your Molson Canadian bottle in the air and more going out. Yeah. I wish I had an

experience in the woods, you know? Yeah. That's right. Um, so when did you get to scratch your

itch and see them live? I assume that, you know, you were probably a little too young. Yeah. It was,

it was later than you would think. Um, or yeah, like, I mean, concerts were cheap as, concerts are

so cheap in the 90s uh but i just i just didn't get around to it and or didn't have the money or

whatever and then there was a lot of years i missed out because i was i worked as a bartender and

a bar manager for so long but i missed there's like oh 10 years of concert i didn't go to or would

have the tickets and have to sell them so i did not see them until the uh until the tour in 2003 i think

yeah okay um so with that before in between evolution then um was it 2003 i guess it probably was

it.

[12:11] Was at the amphitheater yeah 2003 i think it is yeah anyways the in violet light tour and it

was at the molson amphitheater budweiser stage whatever it was called Ben yeah and I was on the

lawns and it was amazing uh like amazing the Watchmen opened and that was I don't care for it um

so yeah uh anyway I don't need a slag on some band, no no no uh but uh but you know it went

from kind of like we're all just choo-chatting and whatever around the lawn so like being I was

worried that I wouldn't get the experience because i knew i knew i was getting for a show i knew i

was in for gourd and then like what was going to happen but i'm like am i not going to feel it out

here in the lawns uh i did and we held it and it was crazy and everyone was dancing and going nuts

it was like it was a wild show like it's hard to describe if you haven't if you never saw them like it's

you kind of had to be there at least once to to feel that energy and the inclusive inclusivity of the the

30 000 people or whatever well i don't know how many fit in there but it was brammed and like oh

we're all in the same moment we're on every word no one's like yell talking to his buddy while the

hands playing you know it's like, supreme focus and engagement it was really special.

[13:37] And again, it changed my perception of them as they seem to do over and over to me.

[13:43] You know, sure. Oh, yeah? Even more. Describe that. Because you get told like, oh, well,

you know, he's a wild front man. He's really engaging. Goes on these rants. I'm like, yeah, cool.

You can kind of imagine that in your head. But until you kind of see it and experience it, you don't

get what it's like looking at, you know, somebody truly great really flex their artistic muscle, you

know? Like like yeah i it's really not a close musical comparison but you know like with great jazz it

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was all about being in the moment right like jazz was not about working out the lick at home and

then doing it it was about the freedom of the moment and what you could express in 90 seconds

you know like what you know what can come through your body through your instrument for him it's

his, his vocabulary and it was wild to see him go and let it fly and you could feel the.

[14:35] Authenticity of the moment you know and that's that's not just rare it's unheard of you know

with a lead vocalist to have that kind of unique expression and so yeah i saw that and i was like

well this is this is more than just cool band you know this is something else yeah yes he performs in

four dimensions uh so that's the only way i can put it he performs in four dimensions and And he's

not looking at you in the front row, but you feel as though you're part of the show. Yeah. It was a full

experience. And the band is so locked in. And the band. Pretty good. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

[15:15] Have you heard any of this new Johnny Favre? No, I haven't. Tell me. Yeah, he's got a

record coming out, and it's very progressive. Like, it's not out yet, but there's clips of it on his

Instagram.

[15:28] And it's like, yeah, that's all I can call it is like progressive music. And I know he was like a

yes guy and a police guy and liked the Rush guy. As a drummer, I can't imagine a Canadian

drummer not looking up in Bill Peele. Oh, that's exciting. That'd be strange. But anyway, did you

end up going to see them more than one time? No, that was my deep in my, yeah, that was deep in

my bartending years. And it was my, I was one and done. And I'm just like, it was like, oh yeah, I'll

get around on this tour. I got to work, whatever. And then it was, and then it's too late. Yeah.

There's part of me that thinks seeing the one time, like I remember in 94, I saw Pearl Jam, Neil

Young, Soundgarden and Blue Strangler, weirdly enough. at the exhibition and Pearl Jam fucking

crushed. Like they just crushed. Uh, it was the summer before they released versus. Oh, they had

10 so tight, you know, 10 was just, they could play the shit out of it, but they were also playing

these new tracks from versus that were really exciting. And then they got up and jammed with Neil

at the end for keep on rocking in the free world. And it was like a heavy metal guy. The idea of the

opening band coming out and jamming with the headlining act is something that is just cool, right?

Like, it's just neat. And there's part of me that was like, I never want to see Pearl Jam again,

because that was it's not going to get better than, it's just not.

[16:56] And I broke that rule, and I've seen them a couple times since. And they were great shows,

but they weren't like that. It just wasn't like it. Sure. Like, I got addicted to seeing Fishbone live.

[17:08] Crazy. Okay, yeah. Totally nuts. I bet you. And it was so much fun. Yeah. It's another band

that has a culture all around them and, you know, incomparable lead vocalist. And it was an

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experience every time, and it was great. But, like, nothing was, like, the first time where I really had

my mind blown and I was unprepared for the insanity of it.

[17:31] Right. You start looking for, like, these things that you got the first time. And I'm like, a little

bit of what to expect. I was always, like, shocked by the musicianship and the stage presence and

the engagement. Always there, but there was that first-time thing of, like, I felt like I was, you know,

in a whirlpool. It was totally wild, you know, and unpredictable and felt, like, a little bit dangerous.

Um but totally i don't know save it at the same time but so yeah you know with that i wish i had

seen the more of course but i don't think anything would have topped that night you know in toronto

no um yeah yeah it was it was magical you know it was really it was a beautiful night uh i was gifted

the tickets as a uh um a birthday present from my friend zach which is very nice of him so it was

great. It was really a, It couldn't have been topped, really. Although I regret being too busy as a

struggling bartender in my younger years. Yeah, but you got to see a lot of cool bands, too, and

book a lot. Yeah, I saw so much live music on the ground floor managing a live venue for a long

time. So, yeah, that's nice, too.

[18:49] But, yeah. so at this point at this point what record do you find yourself going to when you

need to um get a hip fix or or is it like me where i described it's totally mood based right um, i mean

i think i said uh in between evolution just a moment ago because that was the last one that i was

listening to and i mean i know it's tough you know everything has such a mood to it. And I'm such a

huge fan of travel to hand house too. Like that, that does a lot for me. Now if a plan, a does a lot for

me, um, the solo albums do a lot for me, but all different stuff, always different stuff. It depends. Is it

morning? Am I driving? Am I, am I, am I drunk? Am I high? Am I all of the things? I gotta stop.

Yeah. Not driving, but, but, uh, yeah, it's kind of, it's, it's fully mood based, you know? Um, but

what's, great is there's kind of one for every mood, isn't there? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, 31 Flavors.

You want to just tear it up, you want to be introspective, you want to be mournful, you want to be

excited. It's all there. Yeah. Well put. Well, should we shift gears and talk about the featured song of

the week? All right, well, let's do that. We'll do it right after this. Hey, this is Paul Langlois from The

Tragically Hip saying hello. Now on with the countdown. 33.

[20:18] Music.

[24:04] At transformation is what we're chatting about today. Greg from Toronto. Will you help me lift

enormous things? What did you think the first time you heard this? Oh, geez. The first time I heard

this, I was unaware of the emotional weight carried within this track. 100% unaware. Just like, woo!

Sweet tune! And then, as time passes on, we learn so much. I just want to say, first of all, good job,

everyone, for getting this song in here. I feel like it's a little... The album as a whole is a bit under

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the radar, maybe underappreciated. And for 40, and this made it, I'm really... Really happy this is

way high on my own personal list i love this song deeply uh so yeah first time hearing it i'm like

sweet tune man oh great vocals so good and and and of course the usual what's he talking about

you know that's so much but then of course we how much i don't know when it was after the

release of the album that it became apparent that it was a lot of the writing was dealing with his

wife's, cancer diagnosis and treatment.

[25:19] See, I was so out of the loop at the time that I don't know when it became part of the

conversation. For me, I found out from the hit museum. So it must have been out there. Not long

after. I feel like they didn't want to promote the album that way, but once it was out in the ether in a

bit, maybe some interviews or something like that. I don't know how it became common knowledge

exactly, But I feel like it was close to at least the year that it was released. And that being said, it

changes the color of so much of this album when you're aware of context in that kind of way. Oh my

gosh, absolutely. And again, you turned me on to this record. This record is actually responsible for

all these tragically at podcasts because you were talking about, uh, now for plan a as a, I'm going

to call it what you guys called it. But even though you guys called it a punishment record on plan a

and the idea or on, on, uh, right. See you next Wednesday. Um, even though it was very rarely a

punishment record. It started as only a bad album. Sometimes it was, but in some cases, it was.

We did that show for a long time. We changed to, you could assign any album of your choosing,

Punishment or No.

[26:38] That's right. And I'd say a third of the time, it was something terrific that we hoped our friends

would do. It was like an educational experience almost, right? Like, it was like, you need to listen to

this. And you told those guys to listen to that record, and then you came back the next week and

talked about it. And I listened to it, and I was like, okay, I have to listen to this record. And I listened

to it, and then you and I started planning on doing fully and completely and then gourd died and it

was like okay now we have to do this podcast and shortly thereafter we did and yeah we started

because of this record 2018 yeah maybe where your market world yeah shortly after he passed

yeah yeah well good listen it's a great record that i'm mostly it is a great where does this song

where does the song fit on the record for you like in terms of in terms of standout three for sure i

mean you know the emotional impact of the album is kind of overshadows anything that isn't to do

with maybe this topic doesn't feel quite as uh important not important but um i don't know heart

hitting i guess so this one this one really really gets me um uh man machine poem is.

[27:55] Pretty impressive there's like a trilogy of songs on here at Transformation, Man Machine

Poem and We Want to Be It and at Transformation I think are my, my emotional ground zero for this

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record I like the whole thing but streets ahead so great um, uh yeah but at transformation it's it does

such a good job of just being a ripping tune too um, yes i can just another example of a great

opening again they're very good at that they know how to open a record really well like uh we want

to be it you know i find if that comes on even though it's not like the slowest of songs or something

like that like i get very emotionally focused in the experience of the tune whereas at Transformation

if I'm, in the car driving or something and it comes on I'm like I don't have to you know go down to

the emotional trenches for the song I can just be in the moment of the energy and the delivery, you

know what I mean so I think it delivers it gives you a couple of options about how to experience it

which is nice.

[29:04] So yeah it's a great addition to this list and it's such a clear opener, it was a lead off single

too yeah for the album i think it was ah let me look that up i think you're right i think it was i think

you're right it definitely had the video yeah it's the video with lord in the studio they're all in the

studio what i actually during listening to that song what is the what is the and you don't have to

know this is fine but like it's some sort of effect pedal that almost sounds like bagpipes or

something like makes his guitar sound east coasty like what do you call that sound I love the tone. I

don't know. It's some kind of knucklehead magic. I don't know what's going on there.

[29:47] Oh, Robert. He does bring it. He's pretty good.

[29:54] Yeah, I love the production. They only released two singles from this record. At

Transformation and Streets Ahead. Streets Ahead was a single? Yeah. It's a good song. With all

those other great songs. That's so surprising. Well, I mean, this was 2012. This is, you know, their.

[30:13] High rotation, you know, I mean, much music's kind of done at this point. But still, you know,

high-profile release of a single by them is kind of over, right? They're like a legacy band at this

stage. Yeah. I think so. I mean, they did the promo for this in Kensington Market, if you remember,

at the supermarket. Did they? At that bar of the supermarket. They basically had the front window

open and they played to the, I'm not sure what street that is, that's right outside the supermarket.

But yeah, there was a crowd gathered out there to watch them. That's wild. What a passerby

moment that would be. Right to just get them seeing playing i sort of had something like that

happen nowhere near as big or as good but i was walking down spadina one day and it must have

been for north by northeast, or canadian music week and they had the windows open at uh the

elmo combo before the big run out, um and i'm just cruising by the elmo combo and there's a band

in their sound checking uh and it's limb lifter and they're doing ariel versus lotus and it's like, oh

wow and i just like stopped and stared in like holy shit and they just ripped it was so loud it was so

good they just crushed it.

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[31:28] Anyway that was good man the 90s were just chock full of great canadian like indie indie

bands and country bands and roots bands and like it really and this was like when i when that

happened it was probably, like 2012 or something like that, 2013. What was their big single? Was it

Tinfoil? I guess Tinfoil was the biggest, although Ariel vs. Lotus almost as big and better, I think. It's

better. Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely better. Like Tinfoil is like, it's not representative, I don't think,

of what they are. It's just kind of of the time, I think. Tinfoil. Sounds very 90s. Um, yeah, here we

are at transformation. Um, yeah, well, there's not, there's not a whole lot more you can say about it.

I mean, what we're doing, um, is these episodes come out on Monday and actually what I'm doing

is on Wednesdays, I'm releasing something called a fully and completely flashback where I go back

to the original fully and completely episode and curate our response to that song. So in some cases

it's going to be funny because I don't remember what I said back then. And it's changed. Sure. You

know, like my thoughts have changed on, on a lot of things. So, you know, people are going to be

listening. They're going to be like, what is that?

[32:57] You said this about that song. I wonder how, I wonder how many, if anything sounds

different. We said anything different about it, but probably not. I don't know. Yeah. I'll be curious.

No, it's a heck of a tune. It means a lot to me. It's a special song. I'm really glad that I could be on

for this song. And so yeah, me too. I'm just glad you're just glad you're on. Yeah. And on that note, I

will bid you adieu, Greg from Toronto. And that's what I've got for you this week. Thanks for

listening. And thanks for coming out. Thanks for stopping by. Pick up your shit. Thanks for listening

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