The Tragically Hip Top Forty Countdown: Song 24 — Colin from Winnipeg

Hey, it’s jD — and this week we head to the heart of the prairies with Colin from Winnipeg, a longtime Hiphead who once went to a show alone at 13 years old and came out the other side a lifer. (And no, this isn’t the plot of a 1990s coming-of-age movie — although it should be.)

Colin’s story is peak Gen X Hiphead: cassette tapes rolling during FM year-end countdowns, MuchMusic playing Courage next to 54•40, and a growing obsession that culminated in using his flyer-route money to buy Day for Night on release week. We talk about the impact of hearing Fully Completely straight through on New Year’s Eve radio, how Day for Night became his personal Rosetta Stone, and how those early albums carved out a space for solitude, self-discovery, and big goddamn feelings.

There’s live gig lore too — like being part of a possibly 80,000-strong crowd at a free War Child show in downtown Winnipeg (no, really) and getting body-surfed by the pulse of 60,000 fans at Another Roadside Attraction.

This one’s for the kids who snuck into the Winnipeg Arena, burned their own bootlegs, and never stopped playing Day for Night front to back.

🎙️ Next week: We cross the ocean to meet Janet from the Isle of Man, whose Hip fandom was sparked by a trip to North Bay in the ’90s and has since gone global. Spoiler: she’s got a tattoo. And a Hip fan forum trophy.

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“You could drop the vocals, the guitars, the bass — any part of the song of the week — and it would still be one of the best things you’ve ever heard.”

👤 About Our Guest

Colin from Winnipeg is a podcast host (Off The Podium, Double Oz Seven) and a lifelong fan of The Hip. He saw them live twice before turning 15, owns a beat-up VHS with a Lake Fever performance on it, and still defends In Violet Lightlike it’s family.

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[0:00] Hey, it's JD here and welcome back to the Tragically Hip Top 40 Countdown. It is an absolute

pleasure to be here with you week over week where we're counting down 40 essential tracks by the

hip that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus

and a ginger-haired toddler with telekinesis who can fetch me beer from the fridge using only her

mind. How will your favorite songs fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in every week to find

out. So there's that. This week I'm joined by the Tragically Hip superfan Colin from Winnipeg. How

the hell are you doing on this hip-tastic day Colin from Winnipeg? Oh, I'm better than most days. I

mean, pretty much every day is a hip day. There's at least one song that gets played but now to be

able to talk about it I mean, that's the exciting part Cause I mean, usually I don't have anybody to

talk to about this stuff.

[1:00] Well, today you got old JD to bend his ear. So that's, that's going to be a lot of fun. Let's get

right into this. Let's talk about your, uh, tragically hip origin story.

[1:10] Uh, yeah, I mean, uh, I, I try to pinpoint, you know, exactly where it was. And I've been

thinking over the last, you know, couple of weeks, even like, when did I hear it first? Cause I'm sure

that, you know, it was played on the radio, like new Orleans is sinking or little bones or something

like that was been played on the radio a million times. And I just never noticed growing up. But I

mean, the first time I think I actually noticed was I can now vividly remember. I forgot about this for

years until I started to think about it. But I can vividly remember now I was staying with an aunt of

mine. My brother and I were like sleeping over for two or three nights or something like that. And

then one afternoon, we popped on, you know, Countdown, the Much Music Countdown or

whatever. And we're like, oh, let's just watch this. I mean, at that point, I think my interest in music, I

probably only started to discover certain things that weren't just the music your parents listened to.

Like, I remember Pearl Jam, Ten and Verses, Blue Rodeo, Actually Lost Together, was one of the

first ones, The Cure, Friday I'm in Love. But it wasn't like I really had my own music identity or

anything. And I can vividly remember, I think with Countdown was it went straight from like 5440,

about a bit of 5440 songs, something like that. And then it went right into like Courage by the

Tragically Hip. And I don't even know where it was on the countdown, but I instantly blown away by

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the song, like just loved everything about it. And I remember watching it thinking like, this guy's

wearing a Bruins jersey. These guys must be from Boston or something.

[2:32] Only to discover years later, no, they're not exactly from Boston, but you know, obviously

have the hockey connection and everything. But I love that song. And I think I kind of went out of

my way to look for it. But that would have been, I think around the time the single was released,

maybe the spring of 93, probably. Okay. And then where I actually was able to listen to more of it

and that kind of made me seek them out more was, again, another Countdown.

[2:57] End of the year, you know, the big radio, the rock radio station here in Winnipeg, 92 City FM,

they would count down. Sometimes they'd alternate, sometimes be here's the top 100 most

requested songs of the year. Well, this year they did. These were the top selling albums in

Winnipeg for the year. And you would go through 100 to, you know, 20. I think they'd play one song

from each. And then from like 20 to five, they'd play like two songs from each. And then for like the

top five, like let's play five songs. but then they got to number one and I didn't know enough about

like what were the popular music what albums even came out this year to even know it was coming

and then they announced number one was fully completely about a tragic leap and they said and

we're gonna bring you the entire album right now and they literally played it start to finish on new

year's eve and I had like a cassette that was recording you know because I'm like oh I'll record

some of these songs so I was able to get that like record off the radio and just listen to that over

and over and over again.

[3:47] Um so that would have been I mean probably near the end I think what was crazy about that

is that the album you know had already been out for what well over a year at this point it was the

best selling album of like the entire year in winnipeg uh so i mean that that really started me getting

into the band was just being able to listen to that and i've always sort of said the hips one of these

bands like you can hear a song and a single and if you like it but when you listen to an album it just

it opens up like a completely different dimension of the band and i mean i've played you know the

band for other people who have never heard a full album and they're like well yeah when you listen

to like five or six of these songs in a row like it just it gives you completed perspective it really does

you know we've been talking about this with i've been talking about this with several people at this

point now just the sequencing even the sequencing they're they're so good at that you know like a

great kickoff song and it just pardon the expression trickles down through the rest of the uh through

the rest of the record it's just so good so you yeah i get that you you need those chunks sometimes

more than you know the the just the one song Mm-hmm.

[4:52] Yeah. And I mean, from fully completely, I mean, this was late 93. So by the time 94 rolls

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around and I'm finding out they got a new album coming out, I mean, that was at the point where I

was old enough. And I had like a, not paper route, but like a flyer route. You know, you deliver flyers

once a week, whatever, you know, the offer is that week, you know, from furniture stores or

something like that. So I was earning a little bit more of my own money the next year. So when Day

for Night came out, I think officially that's the first album I ever bought for myself. Like period. Yeah.

Like I had gotten maybe a couple things, you know, over the years from like, you know, parents for

birthday presents and stuff like that. But I mean, I've got my own money and I'm going to invest it.

And it was like that first week where day for night came out. I went out and I paid with like one of

my first paychecks and I own day for night. I mean, still to this day, it's probably the album I

might've listened to the most in my entire life.

[5:43] I bet you I'm right up there with you with that record. Yeah. It just came out at such a great

time in my life. I was, I was about 20, I think, and I was just leaving my hometown to come to

Toronto to go to university. And, you know, it's sort of the soundtrack of that era, right? Mm-hmm.

For me. So I'm sure it's the soundtrack of your era as well, because it's just, it was just such a

fantastic record. Yeah. And again, like, all the songs, like, this is, I think, the thing where I always

tell people, like, with the hip, listen to a full album. Because, as you mentioned, like, the sequencing

of the songs is so perfect sometimes. You know you would go from grace to and then you know you

follow that up with daredevil and then all of a sudden you got greasy jungle and it's like every song

so different but then once you finish the album you're like it has a cohesive sound and when you

listen to you know fully completely day for night those cohesive sounds aren't necessarily the same

and then day for night to trouble the hen house it's like a different cohesive sound but like the songs

individually they all are their own thing but then when you listen to album as a whole it's like you

have that day for night feeling no matter what you're listening to.

[6:52] 100% agree with you. Yeah, I love that. You articulated it far better than I could. So where

does this take us next? Did you get a chance to see the guys live at all? So it was actually that tour.

And again, another one of my first, you know, because I'm earning some of my own money at this

point, I think it wasn't an immediate tour because I know it was like the middle of winter. So it's

probably like early 95 or something like that. And I'm trying So my age at that point, it would have

been like right before I turned 14. Okay. And they're touring and I'm like, totally into the hat

tragically at this point i mean i'm listening to and i'd gotten a couple other albums that you know like

green day dookie the watchman in trees but like nothing even touched what my love was for fully

completely in day for night so i'm like i i have to go to this concert you know and when the tickets

went on sale i mean nobody else in my family was interested in going i think my mom kind of liked

the tragically but she's like i don't want to go and she's kind of the one who said well why don't you

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go yourself and i'm like 13 at this point and you know i'm like, uh, like I'm going to go there myself,

like bus there myself, bus back, you know.

[7:57] But I, I was into them enough that I'm like, well, yeah, I guess why not? Why don't I go do

that? So I went out like, you know, when the tickets went on sale, stood in line, bought them. That's

something I missed, like being able to stand in line. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. You're excited for

something and you just, I'm waiting and waiting like a couple hours maybe. So you get the best

seats. I definitely wasn't getting the best seats, but, uh, you know, when that concert came around,

like I, I remember having that fear of like, oh, it's going to be like late when this is over? Am I going

to get back home safe? Okay. And stuff like that. I mean, the experience of just sitting there by

myself, you know, having seen other concerts with, you know, parents or family members was one

thing and then being there by myself, but I could still say like, I enjoyed that concert more by myself

than any I'd been to before. And the wildness of it too. I mean, you know, being able to see for the

first time that storytelling that Gord Downey has that I had never had. I think the only glimpse I had

of that was like the live version of Highway Girl that used to always play on the radio, you know?

Right, yeah. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, you know? And I figured that's a one-off thing.

And then you get to the concert and you're like, no, this isn't a one-off thing. It's like, it's an every

other song thing pretty much, you know?

[9:02] And I don't think any other concerts I'd seen prior to that, there'd never been like that live

presence where it was so, the songs sound the same, but like everything was just completely

different seeing it live, like the performance and the storytelling and everything. Yes. It's a magical

thing. And I can't even believe that you were 14 and by yourself and getting to experience that. It's

no wonder your head didn't just blow off. Yeah.

[9:30] Jesus Christ. I can still remember, I would have been like up in the higher seats in the old

Winnipeg Arena.

[9:37] And, you know, the documentary that came out, they talk about like a lot of the crowds at that

time being pretty rowdy. You know, luckily, people were seated backwards. But then I remember

seeing this guy, he was climbing up, basically, I don't know, the railings that connect, you know, to

the upper sections. And the guy's literally climbed 10 or 20 feet. And everybody's just watching like,

this guy's gonna drop and die. I mean, he was now looking back, I wouldn't have thought of time.

The guy was definitely on something, you know. So he was trying to get into the headspace of like,

I'm going to listen to the Tragically Hip. But I'm like, I've never seen anything like this in my life, you

know? But like the band was just so good that like none of those things scared me. And it was

really only a couple months after that when they did the Another Roadside Attraction. So, I mean, I

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was able to see them twice in that same year. Oh, like six months, right? Yeah. And that was

another completely crazy experience because at that time I didn't go myself. I went with like my

stepbrother and, um, you know, sitting through seven other bands, just waiting for them. I mean,

that was just a great experience because a lot of them I'd sort of heard on the radio, you know, but,

uh, you know, being able to bands that you wouldn't normally go out of your way to see at the age

of 14, you know, anything you're seeing, it's something that you're very familiar with and you're

paying good money for, but then you get exposed to new stuff like spirit of the West, which I wasn't

really that familiar with Eric's trip, you know, Matthew Sweet to this day is one of my all-time favorite

artists but by the time the hip comes around again just the insanity of that crowd and it wasn't like

violent it wasn't aggressive it was just like.

[11:04] Tens of thousands of people all moving in a wave like they're all crammed together and it's

like you can barely keep your balance and it became so much that my stepbrother are like we got

to go and like not leave the concert but like we got to go as far back as we can and watch this i

don't think my my 14 year old legs are gonna be able to withstand the pressure of these people just

crowding towards the band oh geez yeah there's a there's a hell of a lot of people those roadside

attractions i went to the one in markham and i think they said did they say the markham show was

the biggest show they'd ever played 60 000 people or was that uh from the doc in the documentary.

[11:41] There was something about the biggest show they ever played and i was like holy jeez it was

actually i mean if we're talking about live shows there's the um the last time i ever saw them and

sadly i never saw them i wish i could have gone when it got you know to the farewell tour but uh

they did a free concert here in winnipeg uh there was uh it was a war child benefit concert really i

think they they briefly showed a clip of that on the the documentary series uh and the numbers are

kind of like falsely reported for that because we had had several there was like big wave of free

concerts at this point winnipeg over a couple of years like the mayor was really pushing for stuff like

this to revitalize downtown and uh nobody at the level of tragically i mean great big sea you know

sloan those guys but tragically when i saw great big sea I think there was 60,000 people there. And

I can tell you from seeing the hip, like that crowd dwarfed it. And I've kind of read stories over the

years with like, we're reporting that there was like 55,000 people there, but the people who are

present were like, no, this is like 80,000 people at least. Holy shit, really? Yeah, and that one, I was

not even daring go up. Remembering Roadside Attraction, I'm like, I'm not going to dare go up

front. I'm going to go as far back as I can that I could enjoy the concert but not get caught in this

crowd. Yeah, that would be intimidating. That would be intimidating to me. Um...

[12:59] What is your, at this point, what is your, you know, your go-to record? Do you have one that

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you will throw on if you, you know, need a little bit of relief or anything like that? I mean, I've got a

couple. I mean, Day for Night, I think, will always be my favorite. And I don't even, usually it's like a

little bit of that nostalgia, right? Like this was the first one. I mean, I'd heard Philly completely before

that, but I mean, paying your own money for it and stuff like that. But I mean, there's just something

about the sound of Day for Night and like the depth of the songs.

[13:33] Think about like Scared, like such a simple song, you know, that's just so powerful.

[13:39] But depending on the mood, I mean, one of my, I guess I would call it guilty pleasures. I

loved in the, speaking of the documentary, again, a lot of documentary talk today. The fact that

when they were talking about a lot of the later albums, when they got to In Violet Light, I don't

remember who it was that said it's like, Like, no, I don't think it's fair to call In Violet Light one of the

lesser albums. Like, that's a good one. And In Violet Light, I think, is if I want to pick me up, that's

the one I put on, which you have some, you know, nice, peppier songs on there, right? Like, but

then you've also got like something like It's a Good Life If You Don't Weaken, which is just like... A

tour de force. Oh, yeah, exactly. Like, that song, you could listen to that and drop every part of it.

Let's drop the bass. Let's drop the lead guitar. Let's drop the drums. Let's drop the vocals. and

listen just to the rhythm guitar. And it's like, that's still one of the most incredible songs you've ever

heard. You listen to just the bass. That's one of the most incredible songs you ever heard. So yeah,

I would say those were probably the two big ones that, you know, Day for Night, if I just want to

really listen to something that I'm feeling like I'm listening to the Tragically that I always

remembered and loved, it'll be Day for Night. But if I want something that's just maybe put me in a

really good mood, for whatever reason, In Violet Light's always been one of the ones I go to. Yeah,

I think that's a good pairing. I like that pairing Colin from Winnipeg do you think it's time that we talk

about the song of the week oh I'm ready to talk about it any song.

[15:06] Any of them go with the least successful least favorite hip song ever and it's still going to be

worth talking about for as long as we got alright we'll be back right after this, I'm sorry I stepped on

your live story with my stupid Markham's story. Oh, no, no, that's good, because I'm like, I... But I

like how you followed it up. Yeah, like, I wondered, like, what was the biggest show? Because I

didn't even realize until recently when I was looking at that, that, like, those numbers were reported

falsely, because when it came, when the concert happened, they're like, this might be 80 to

100,000 people, and then all the news reports since then are like, no, they were afraid to say it,

because the city might have gotten in trouble for allowing that many people in that space. Oh, my

God.

[15:51] Fuck. All right. So we are going to, I'm going to kick it off again with just a little something

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and then throw to you and then we'll, you know, and if you have any plugs at the end, I've got that

as well. I'll ask you that once we get to the end. So if you have, just so you can think about that.

Um, okay. I have been going on and on and on and on and on about Lake Fever since podcast. I

love this fucking song.

[16:25] Colin from Winnipeg, what did you think the first time you heard the song Lake Fever? I wish

I could remember hearing the song itself for the first time because this was still definitely the era

where first day an album comes out, I'm picking it up and I'm listening to it on repeat over and over

and over again. But I mean, a lot of those memories are kind of lost. I think this is one of these

songs that has grown on me more and more and i might say more than any other hip song that

they've ever written it's the one that grows on me more and more every year that passes wow and i

i could definitely say i love this song like in was it 2000 this one came out music at work yeah so

2000 i mean if i were to pick my favorite song of the album at the time i might have said music at

work at first because it was you know uh very very energetic and fun song, but Lake Fever

definitely would have been my go-tos. But I mean, with every year that passes, I listen to it more

and more. And I can tell you now, if I'm putting on music at work, I'm just waiting for Lake Fever to

come up. And I don't, I think, I think a lot of it is just.

[17:29] It's a traditional hip song, but there's something with like the structure of the song that just

feels different. It builds to this massive crescendo, you know, and that's, I don't know, maybe if I sat

down and I dissected, like you did, every single hip song that was ever written and ever recorded,

there might be more like this. But to me, this always felt like it was almost like, you know, operatic

or like a big symphony piece that just it starts here and then it builds up a level and up a level and

up a level until it's like just this massive epic song. It really does have that growth doesn't it um you

know like right up to the the lovely paul backing vocals like oh want to be your wheezing screen

door and um you know and then paul following up that oh just gorgeous gorgeous stuff um what i

mean do you have we've talked a lot about it on these podcasts but do you have an interpretation

of this song that that transcends what we found on Hit Museum or anything like that, does it mean

anything different to you or anything special to you? So, I mean, I'm kind of weird in that I can know

every lyric of a song.

[18:39] Forward, backwards, recite it in my sleep, and never actually stop and think about what does

this song mean, you know? I could be reciting the lyrics, and I think it's just my brain processes

more the overall combination of everything, like how the vocals and bass and drums and everything

come together and what that story tells. I can say this song, the meaning of it's kind of changed for

me over the years, like what this song is. And the last time where I ever saw them live, that free

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concert they did, that was probably the only time I ever heard this live, because I don't even know if

this was ever released on any of the live albums they've done since then. I mean, I tried to look and

I couldn't find any. If there's a live version, I'd like to find it because my takeaway from that concert

was that live performance. And I think what was so interesting about it is that this kind of had like

the, it's like a sweet love song. You know, my brain processed enough to take that away when I

would listen to the song, you know, on CD all the months leading up to the concert. But then when I

saw it perform live the first time, there was just, there was like this kind of sly, wicked sense of

humor that Gord Downey had in the way he delivered the vocals that I'll never forget. And I might

even have a video that I had shot at that concert somewhere lying on a VHS tape in my closet over

here. I'd love to dig it out if I could ever find it. But I just remember just being struck by the humor

that he had telling it, where I'm like, well, this song might actually be a love story. This is a rom-com

of a song, you know?

[20:07] How did he introduce it? Did he introduce it with a little zinger or anything like that? Or do

you remember? I just remember him introducing, I just remember the vocals being like, it's like he's

delivering it with like a bit of a smile. And it was more emphasis on the words. Cause I mean, in the

recorded version of the song, it is that big operatic build, you know, where it's, it's soft spoken and

everything. And I think that's where it initially always gave me the impression. This is kind of like a

sweet love song. And then when he's doing it live, it's like the pronunciation of the words was a lot

harder and more forced, but like, there's just that, that humor he had with it. But yeah, I can't

remember, because I know he has, I've heard those stories about how he would intro this song or

whatever, you know, in years since then. But there just was always something different when I saw

this live. I'm like, wow, that like completely changes the song for me. It would, right? Mm-hmm. Just

the way he delivers it. Yeah. Can change your perception of it. Yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty far

out. Far out.

[21:08] Um what else do you think about when you think of this song where does it fall on the record

right after tiger the lion right we're talking about sequencing yeah it's music at work then tiger the

lion then like fever correct yeah yeah and then what's it's putting down after that i think you're right

yeah another i'm running through in my head you know them well enough after a while you just

remember the end of one song you're like what's the intro to the next one after that. I just wonder

what you think of that sort of league fever sandwich that is formed, you know, around there,

because it is a very, it is a different song. It is. Yeah. You know, and music at work is a different.

[21:47] Sounding record as well yeah and and i i love music at work uh you know i probably would

not necessarily rank in my top five hip albums but i mean it's still the least hip album is still way up

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there for me but i mean it definitely it would you know be top 10 for sure uh what i think is always

interesting about music at work is that those first three songs they're so different from each other

but they all are like epics you know like music at work and my music at work uh i guess that is like a

epic pop song you know tiger the lions like uh old school growling gourd downy like that that's

almost like a fully completely level song you know and then lake fever it's almost that that i can't

remember it might have even been you or one of the other guys on one of the other podcasts that

talked about like there's always that one song on a hip album that sets you up for where the next

one's gonna go right and in a weird way i feel like lake fever is that for music at work because it,

this big symphonic sound without involving any strings or brass instruments that, that kind of just

bare bones, rock symphonic sound that Lake Fever has is sort of what we're going to get, you

know, coming up with stuff like it's a good life if you don't weaken on the next one, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Very layered, you know, a bit more complex than we've, than we've sort of experienced

before. Yeah. And then we definitely get strings on the Bob, Bob Rock produced records, right?

We, oh yeah. Yeah.

[23:16] So there's that.

[23:19] We'll call him from Winnipeg. Is there anything that you would like to plug before we bid each

other adieu today? Uh, I, I have a couple of podcasts I'm involved in. Okay, cool. The, the one, uh,

which actually by the time people are listening to this is basically ended the Oz network. Uh, we

basically spent seven years covering various movies and TV shows and stuff like that. Um, I'm a

big James Bond fan. I would have loved to heard the hip do a James Bond theme. That would have

been mind blowing. Oh, yeah. But, uh, uh, there's podcast double Oz seven that, uh, OZ seven

double Oz seven, uh, for James Bond. And then actually the other one's, uh, uh, Olympics and I

guess the Olympics and amateur sport podcast off the podium, uh, which now the Olympics are

over. We can breathe a little bit. It's mostly interviews and stuff like that with athletes. But, uh, uh,

yeah, I mean, I, I, I've, I never really thought about, you know, music podcasts as something to

listen to. So, I mean, you've been keeping me busy for the last year, year and a half or whatever,

listening to these. And this is, this is probably the most fun I've had on any of the podcasts I've

done in well over a year.

[24:24] Well it's work right like i mean at the end of the day it's work it's like we're passionate about it

but it's work yeah but it's always fun to talk about something that you're you know that you're into

with somebody else who's into it so i'm glad you did that today and um yeah i really want to thank

you for taking taking the time to chill out with me is there a url that people can find those at or do

they just search their podcast catcher i think you search your podcast feeds um i don't know, um, I

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think the, the Oz network, the podcast that's ended now is the only one had an official website. Uh,

the double S seven, double S seven off the podium. I'm sure you could find it somewhere. Okay,

cool. Cool. Wherever fine podcasts are found. And I will hopefully, if I remember, I'll put it in the

show notes as well. So there's that. That's what I've got for you this week. Uh, again, thank you so

much to call from Winnipeg. Thank you to the tragically hip and thank you to you for listening.

That's what I've got. And, uh, pick up your shit.

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