As both Europe and the United States continue to be hammered by the health and dire economic effects of the corona virus and the US is engulfed by social protest, Joel and Kaj discuss what this all means for the Transatlantic relationship we hold so dear. Will the relationship recover from all the enmity? Then, Kaj interviews Arjen de Wolff, a Dutchman with a very interesting past in international politics and diplomacy, who lives and works on the Caribbean island of Bonaire. Little does the world know that all those “rocks in the sea”, as De Wolff calls the islands, are crucial for the Transatlantic alliance… And of course, we celebrate Beer Time again!