Rod and Kale are joined by Carl Trueman, professor and author of The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. Carl gives a big picture overview of the book, particularly as regards the loss of the sense of a Sacred Order. Carl makes the claim that the battle for our time is one over the imagination, and the fallout over the disconnect with the real. They discuss the implications for our culture, the raising of children, and the future of our children.   Topics and books discussed: Philip Rieff; Triumph of the Therapeutic; Hamlet; Dante; Reformations; Percy Bysshe Shelley; Paradise Lost; technology and the divorce from real relationships; Christianity and Pride Activism; Abigail Shrier; Schleiermacher; Integralism; Theonomism; Tom Holland's Dominion; mass psychosis; Michael Hanby; technology; the sexual revolution