In this conversation, George Fossing and Zach Jenkins discuss the fear of a recession and the importance of having a plan for retirement. They debunk the idea that cash is a bad investment and highlight the benefits of having alternative investment options. They emphasize the need to give your money a job and create a well-designed plan that takes into account market volatility. They also discuss the importance of tax planning and how it can help retirees optimize their income and reduce taxes. 

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