John Couch was employee 54 at Apple, hired directly by Steve Jobs. He became Vice President Product and led the launch of the Lisa computer. By his own admission, he had made enough money to warrant the 20 hours a day workstyle he had at Apple leaving in 1984 and eventually taking over k-12 school. After a quick tour in biotech, John once again answered Steve's call and returned to Apple as the first ever Vice President of Education in 2002.

John has authored a book Rewiring Education: How Technology Can Unlock Every Student’s Potential which everyone, literally should read.

John joins Jonah Sigel discusses his relationship with Steve Jobs who he believes was largely mistyped by Hollywood the same topic of his new book which is about to be published. John also shares his wisdom and insight into why the current North American education system is so broken and how to fix it. He talks about his new education platform that he is hoping to distribute and why in the Corona era it is so important.

If you are as down as Jonah is right now on his kids school education and the prospects for life for them in college post Corona you will find John inspirational and hopeful.