The Unstuck Podcast

What do you learn about someone when you put them under real pressure?

Jenny Burns is back with Mike Soutar for part two, turning to his years spent building businesses, backing people and putting candidates through their paces on The Apprentice.

They talk about what pressure reveals, whether we mistake confidence for leadership and why some of the biggest lessons come from getting it wrong. Mike also shares the decision he still regrets today and what it taught him about fear, ego and knowing when to change course.

Plus, why leaders can no longer afford to be invisible, what makes someone worth taking a chance on, and the deceptively simple question every leader should ask their team: “What do you think?”

What does it take to lead when you can’t see where you’re going?

In the first episode of Unstuck, Jenny Burns sits down with entrepreneur, investor, former CEO and author Mike Soutar to talk about leadership when the old rules no longer seem to apply.

Leadership used to be about getting people from point A to point B. But what happens when point B is increasingly unclear? They explore why “the plan sucks” might be exactly the mindset leaders need, why the best leaders should lose more arguments than they win and why some of the things that got you to the top might be exactly what you now need to unlearn.

From AI and uncertainty to ego, communication and knowing when to change course, this is a conversation about leading without all the answers and still finding a way forward.