We've always said that we're trying to get under the surface of Welsh politics and there are few guests we could find that that can truly say that they have been at the heart of events like Des Clifford, who has, in one form or another - from Head of News to Head of the First Minister's civil service team - been inside Welsh Government since 1997.

Des joins us to discuss preparations for a new government, the state of the civil service, and the thorny questions of relations with the UK Government and the future of the Wales Office.

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Your hosts:

Prof Laura McAllister of the Wales Governance Centre at Cardiff University, former national football team captain and Vice President at UEFA

Lauren McEvatt, political commentator and former Conservative Special Advisor to the Wales Office in UK Govt

Lee Waters, Labour Party Member of the Senedd for Llanelli and former Welsh Govt Minister

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