In this intimate and insightful episode of Master of Circumstance, Jamie and his wife Sandra share what’s kept their marriage strong—not because it’s been easy, but because it’s been intentional.

They dive deep into the concept of marital context—how most couples unconsciously build their relationship around not getting divorced, and why that default setting actually leads to disconnection and survival mode. Jamie and Sandra unpack how casting a shared vision for their future changed everything.

From imagining themselves in their 80's on a porch swing to asking, “Who do I need to become for us to end up there together?”—this episode reveals how purpose-driven marriage is forged, not found.