In this conversation, we wrestle with the question beneath Jesus’ words in Matthew 7: “By their fruit you will recognize them.” Together we talk about discernment, bad advice, and the quiet internal work that shapes who we trust—and who we become. From Eve to Rehoboam to Herod, we explore why it’s so easy to follow the wrong voices, and how Jesus keeps calling us back to the heart. This isn’t about blame or fear; it’s about awareness, fruit, and the kind of inner life that listens well.