Natalie Layne grew up in Colorado watching her parents lead worship together, her mom singing and her dad on bass, while she ran around the rehearsals singing along. Her parents never pushed piano on her. They put a little keyboard in the playroom with her toys, said nothing, and let her discover it. She decided it was the coolest toy in the house, and started lessons at three. Her grandmother, who ran a piano studio for thirty years, was her first teacher and taught her to read music, to play by ear, and to write songs.

By twelve, her church was asking her to lead worship, and she spent high school leading several times a week under worship pastors including Cory Asbury, John Egan and Jared Anderson. Kurtis asks what made that mentorship work, and her answer is one worship leaders will want to hear. We tend to think discipling someone means handing them a ten-step plan and all our best nuggets. What actually shaped her was simpler: they invited her into what they were already doing. Come to the writing camp. Come sing BGVs. Sit in on this meeting. It's not as hard as we think, she says. It's just the invite.

Her grandmother also gave her the first songwriting method she ever used. At ten or eleven, she was told to come back next week with a song, protested that she didn't know how, and was told to take the words of Scripture and put chords underneath them. The Psalms were meant to be songs anyway. She still writes that way, because those words don't return void. She's also firm that writer's block isn't real: you may not be able to write something good today, but you can always write something bad, and the point is to show up. When the piano runs dry she switches to guitar just to change the palette.

Her sound came from the car stereo. Her mom played Christian radio; her dad, a bass player, played gospel, jazz, blues and Earth, Wind & Fire. She remembers wondering young why Christian music didn't have all those styles, and deciding that a God who contains multitudes should have all the music, and the best of it.

The road to a label was not a straight one. Nashville told her it was a ten-year town, or maybe five. It took five years, almost to the day. She stayed at Belmont long enough to finish a master's in piano, and in her final year won the school's Christian showcase, where labels quietly scout. Several reached out in 2019. Then March 2020 hit and every conversation stopped, and she spent a confusing season asking why God seemed to fling doors open only to shut them.

What she did with the waiting is the practical heart of the episode. She spent two years in practice rooms, started sharing verses and choruses on a new app called TikTok while she was still writing them, and let people weigh in. It turned into a giant online co-write. People started asking her to come play shows, and she built a real career with a manager and no label, reaching her one definition of success: doing music for a living. When she did sign with Centricity, about four years after that first conversation, it was to add radio and marketing to something already moving. That's also how "Grateful For" happened. She wrote it with Mitch Wong, who told her the chords she was playing sounded like gratitude. Her team thought it was fine. The internet disagreed, and it became a small thankfulness movement.

Kurtis names joy as the thread through her music, and Natalie explains where it came from. Right when she signed, she felt the Lord tell her to go write a whole bunch of songs about joy. It was the first direction that specific she'd ever felt, and she connects it to the moment, with everyone carrying heartbreak after the last few years. But she's careful about what joy is. We say choose joy, and that's true, but we slide into thinking we have to manufacture it or put on a smile. Joy is a fruit of the Spirit, not of our own striving. If she wants more joy, she needs more of the Spirit. That's why the songs aren't only about joy when life is easy, but about how to have it when it's hard.

The new EP, Still Running To You, pulls in more of her childhood influences, horns included, because God deserves all the instruments. She produced for the first time, explaining it as the movie director of the record, and insisted on tracking it live, nine players in one room, which she says is rare in Nashville now that most parts get sent back and forth from home studios. Asked about AI, she's measured. She doesn't think it's all evil, but she loves real music, and thinks AI is only going to make real music and live shows more precious. People have already left comments asking whether her new songs are AI. They aren't.

She closes with the difference between opening for someone and headlining her own night, her band of friends she grew up with at church, three trips to Bonnaroo, and the National Hot Dog Festival, where most of the crowd was holding a hot dog or an ear of corn and still heard about Jesus. At festivals, she says, people come for the groove and end up getting Jesus in the lyric.

"Joy is not a fruit of myself or my own striving." - Natalie Layne

ABOUT NATALIE LAYNE

Natalie Layne is a singer-songwriter, pianist, worship leader and producer from Colorado, now based in Nashville. A classically trained musician who holds a master's in piano from Belmont University, she blends the '90s Christian music she grew up on with gospel, jazz, funk and R&B. Her debut album, All Joy, produced the half-billion-impression hit "Grateful For" and a Top 10 title track that earned a K-LOVE Fan Award nomination, and Pandora named her an Artist to Watch. She has played Bonnaroo three times and toured with Chris Tomlin, Jeremy Camp, We The Kingdom, Danny Gokey, Brandon Heath and Tenth Avenue North. Her five-song EP Still Running To You, which she co-produced and recorded live with a full band, released September 9, 2026 on Centricity Music, ahead of a sophomore album due in 2027.

IN THIS EPISODE

The keyboard her parents hid in the toy room and let her discover
A grandmother who ran a piano studio for thirty years and taught her to write songs
Leading worship at twelve under Cory Asbury, John Egan and Jared Anderson
Why mentoring is mostly just the invite
Writing songs straight from Scripture, and why writer's block isn't real
Why a God that big should have all the music
Winning the Belmont showcase, then watching every label conversation stop in March 2020
Turning TikTok into a giant online co-write and building a career without a label
The chords that sounded like gratitude
Why joy is a fruit of the Spirit, not something you manufacture
Nine players in one room, and producing her first record
AI, real music, and fans asking whether her songs are real
Bonnaroo, the National Hot Dog Festival, and Jesus in the lyric

LINKS

Natalie Layne (official site and tour dates): https://www.natalielayne.com
Still Running To You: https://natalielaynemusic.lnk.to/stillrunning
Centricity Music: https://centricitymusic.com/artists/natalie-layne/
Kurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.com
Worship Leader: https://worshipleader.com

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Tauren Wells has four boys under fourteen, a church he planted two years ago, a book, and a live album arriving October 2. Asked how he balances it, he says he gave up on balance a long time ago. What he chases instead is rhythm and discernment about the season he's actually in. He puts it this way: he's spent stretches of his life looking like a man in a fur coat at the fireworks on the Fourth of July, doing the right thing in the wrong season.

The call to plant a church came in 2006, while he was still in Bible college. What followed was seventeen years of waiting. He got married in 2011, served on staff at his in-laws' church in Houston, left his band in 2015 expecting to do music as a hobby, and then found himself on tour with Lionel Richie and Mariah Carey. He served five years at Lakewood as a pastoral worship leader. God gave him the name Whitestone in 2016 and the full vision with it, but no city. Austin came in 2022. When he asked his wife's cousin why so many things in town carried the name, he learned that Austin sits on Texas limestone, and that limestone is called white stone. Church of Whitestone launched January 28, 2024.

Then Kurtis, a church planter himself, asks for the part that doesn't make the Instagram page. Tauren calls it battles and blessings. On the morning they announced the church in Georgetown, it rained all day, the radar opened for exactly two hours, and 4,000 people showed up for Good Friday. In the hotel room beforehand, one of his sons had a health scare out of nowhere. Stretch that over two years, he says, and you get a sense of it. About a year ago he came close to his first panic attack, convinced he was alone in a way no one could relate to, which he now names as a lie. On the other side of the ledger: over a thousand people have given their lives to Jesus in two years, nearly a thousand baptisms, more than a million dollars given to missions, and average attendance around 2,400 across four services.

That leads into what may be the heart of the episode, the power of your yes. Tauren wrote a song that didn't make the album with the line "you have my yes, you have my here am I, Lord send me." He says it's the constant posture of a Jesus follower and you never graduate from it. Yesterday's yes doesn't cover today's assignment. And the yes usually isn't a thousand baptisms; it's forgiving the person you've been bitter toward, or having the conversation you've been avoiding.

On collaboration, he traces a real shift in himself. He grew up in a culture that rewarded individual achievement, and long believed the highest statement was "I did it." He now calls that a poison to purpose, and reframes the question from "what's in it for me" to "what's in me for this." He wanted the record to be the church rather than himself, so it started with the people already around him, Whitestone worship pastor Demetri Wells and longtime collaborator Davies., both of whom moved their families to Austin, before it ever grew to include Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Israel Houghton, Naomi Raine, Paul and Hannah McClure, Abbie Gamboa, Todd Galberth, Tiffany Hudson, Hulvey and Red Rocks Worship. He also makes a point of the people you never see: God, he says, has a very deep bench.

The leadership section is worth the episode on its own. Tauren preaches 30 to 36 times a year and has led worship maybe four times in two and a half years, describing himself as the church mascot and the number one worship leader on the front row. He explains why the frequency of feedback determines the health of a church, and walks through the hard power and soft power framework he credits to Erwin McManus and Rich Wilkerson Jr. Hard power is "shut out the light." Soft power gets the same result through inference and suggestion. Whitestone aims for 90% soft power, so the remaining 10% has relational equity behind it.

It closes at Austin City Limits Moody Theater the night before the recording. The room went to the floor during "Bless Your Name." Tasha Cobbs Leonard was singing, Lorna began to pray and cry out in tongues, and Tauren describes it as a war cry going out from the heart of Austin. He believes God sent the Levites into one of the most creatively iconic cities in America. On the record you can hear him shouting to fill the room with the sound, then the city.

"Yesterday's yes is not sufficient for today's assignment." - Tauren Wells

ABOUT TAUREN WELLS

Tauren Wells is a multi-platinum recording artist, bestselling author and pastor with 11 GRAMMY nominations, eight GMA Dove Awards, seven No. 1 radio hits and over 2.5 billion global streams. His RIAA-certified singles include the platinum hits "Known" and "Hills and Valleys" and gold singles "God's Not Done With You" and "Famous For (I Believe)." He has toured with Lionel Richie and Mariah Carey and collaborated across genres with artists from H.E.R. to Lecrae. In 2025 he released his debut book, Joy Bomb: Unleash Jesus's Explosive Joy for an Extraordinary Life. He and his wife Lorna are co-lead pastors of Church of Whitestone in Austin, Texas, which they launched in January 2024. His first live album, Here Comes The Church, recorded before a sold-out crowd at Austin City Limits Moody Theater, releases October 2.

IN THIS EPISODE

Why he gave up on balance entirely, and what he chases instead
Seventeen years between the call to plant a church and the church actually opening
How God gave him the name Whitestone in 2016 and the city six years later
The battles nobody sees: the near panic attack, the isolation, the two years of opposition
A thousand salvations, nearly a thousand baptisms, and a million dollars to missions in two years
Why yesterday's yes doesn't cover today's assignment
"I did it" as a poison to purpose, and the better question he asks now
Hard power versus soft power, and why Whitestone runs 90 percent soft
The night at Moody Theater when the whole room went to the floor

LINKS

Tauren Wells: https://www.taurenwells.com/
Here Comes The Church (pre-order, vinyl and CD): https://store.capitolcmglabelgroup.com/collections/tauren-wells
Tour dates: https://www.taurenwells.com/tour/
Music: https://www.taurenwells.com/music/
Joy Bomb (Zondervan): https://www.zondervan.com/p/joy-bomb
Church of Whitestone: https://www.yourwhitestone.org
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/taurenwells/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/taurenwellsofficial/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/tgwells04
X: https://twitter.com/taurenwells
Kurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.com
Worship Leader: https://worshipleader.com

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Tommy Coomes and Jay Truax were there. Not adjacent to the Jesus Movement, not students of it, but in it, on the beach, in the room. They're two of the founding members of Love Song, and this conversation is the long version of how a handful of California musicians accidentally became the front end of an entire industry.

Jay starts at the beginning. He was an inland surfer who helped build the first skateboards out of plywood and cut-up roller skates on his dad's bandsaw. He talked his father into a guitar instead of a trumpet, got a 1957 Strat from a pawn shop for ninety dollars, and traded it in 1963 for a brand new Fender Jazz bass. Two weeks later his band opened for the Beach Boys in a skating rink, and Brian Wilson asked to borrow the bass. Jay was fifteen. Then came the surfing, the LSD, a string of bands, and two years in Salt Lake City playing alongside the Grateful Dead and Creedence.

Tommy played trumpet for fourteen years, formed a band, and within six months all three of them were drafted at the height of Vietnam. Fred Field went to Vietnam. Chuck Butler went to South Korea. Tommy went to Germany, where he got deep into drugs mostly out of loneliness. He spent his leave in London and was standing on Carnaby Street the day Apple released its first four singles, with "Hey Jude" blasting out of every doorway. He came home in early 1969 planning to quit music and get a real job. Then friends dragged him to see a band called Love Song at a bar in Costa Mesa, and somewhere in a song he decided he couldn't quit after all.

The heart of it is what happened next, and how little of it was planned. Tommy invokes the opening of 1 John, this is what we saw, this is what we heard, and calls himself and Jay living witnesses, noting that the generation who can say that is thinning out. Jay's account of the Holy Spirit is the plainest thing in the episode: it comes about when you pull the plug on everything and stop getting in the way. They woke up with no idea what the day held and played three times a day, in jails, convalescent homes, high schools, two services at the Orange County jail. Jay compares it to being firemen. The phone rang and they went.

They tell it without polishing it. There's the Seventh Day Adventist church where they had no idea the congregation was vegetarian until Fred gave his testimony about being delivered from vegetarianism. There's Madison Square Garden one week and a flatbed truck on the Rio Grande in El Paso the next, which is where Tommy lands one of the best lines in the episode about being the same person in front of sixteen people or fifty thousand. There's Calvary Chapel going from a room the fire marshal capped around 220 to 2,500 people in a matter of months, with local pastors turning up in white belts to see what was going on.

Then Maranatha! Music, which is the part worship leaders will want. Chuck Smith sent them to a four-track studio in Huntington Beach. The compilation cost four thousand dollars, sold 160,000 copies with no distribution, and the records lived in a Sunday school room. Michael W. Smith found a copy in a used clothing store in West Virginia, took it home, and walked the aisle of his Baptist church six weeks later. Twenty years on, Tommy asked Chuck Smith why he'd started the label. The answer: because the band had no gas money and he figured an album to sell would get them home.

Kurtis asks about Chuck Fromm, who founded Worship Leader, and the two of them light up. Chuck Smith's nephew, called down from a city administration job in Yuba City to run Maranatha!, a man who used his Rolodex as a thinking tool and would talk an idea through with someone for an hour just to hear it out loud. Tommy tells the story of Chuck buying property and building a real studio without telling his uncle first. It opened in 1978 with fifty of the best tube mics in the world, and they recorded in it nonstop.

The last stretch is a challenge. Tommy is blunt about what he sees walking into rooms as a producer: he estimates 60% of people in the pews aren't singing at all, and he lays it at the feet of volume and craft rather than sincerity. He points to Cliff Barrows, who never called it worship and always called it community singing, and who could make fifty thousand people feel like a living room. His charge to worship leaders is to be a communicator first, because there are plenty of great players and very few great communicators. He also refuses the easy version of the argument, insisting God isn't an either-or God and that he's all in when a room full of people knows the songs and pours their hearts out.

Kurtis closes by asking whether God could do something like the Jesus Movement again. Tommy says yes, and points out that people get serious about finding a raft when the ship starts sinking. Then he tells his own conversion story, which he'd been saving. He was working a factory job, paying off a court fine, living with his parents, one day from starting at his father's construction company. There was a note by the phone about an anti-drug rally. Love Song played three services for the Orange County police department, the same department that had illegally searched him and put him through a year of court. On the third service he ended up on the floor crying for forty-five minutes.

"If there's sixteen people in front of you, or sixteen thousand or fifty thousand, you gotta be the same guy." - Tommy Coomes

ABOUT TOMMY COOMES AND JAY TRUAX

Tommy Coomes and Jay Truax are founding members of Love Song, the band formed in the late 1960s out of the counterculture scene in Laguna Beach, California, and widely regarded as the first Christian rock band. Alongside Chuck Girard, John Mehler, Fred Field and Bob Wall, they came out of the Southern California club circuit, with Jay's earlier bands sharing stages with the Grateful Dead, Creedence and Canned Heat, before finding their way to Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa under Pastor Chuck Smith. Love Song became one of the founding acts of Maranatha! Music and helped shape what Time magazine called the "Jesus Revolution" in 1971, influencing a generation of artists who followed. Tommy went on to a long career as a producer and has worked for years with the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

IN THIS EPISODE

Jay building skateboards out of roller skates before you could buy one
A ninety-dollar 1957 Strat, and Brian Wilson borrowing his brand new bass at fifteen
Three bandmates drafted within six weeks at the height of Vietnam
Carnaby Street the day Apple released its first four singles
Coming home to quit music, and hearing Love Song at a bar in Costa Mesa instead
"Living witnesses" and why Tommy thinks the record matters now
Jay on the Holy Spirit, and what it means to pull the plug on your own plans
Maranatha Music, four thousand dollars, and 160,000 copies in a Sunday school room
Michael W. Smith finding the record in a used clothing store in West Virginia
Why Chuck Smith actually started the label: gas money
Chuck Fromm, the Rolodex, and the studio he built without telling his uncle
Tommy's challenge on volume, craft, and community singing
The factory job, the note by the phone, and three services for the police who arrested him

LINKS

A Band Called LoveSong (documentary): https://www.abandcalledlovesong.com/
Kurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.com
Worship Leader: https://worshipleader.com

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Franni Cash spent most of her twenties as one-quarter of We The Kingdom: two Grammy nominations, three Dove Awards, two No. 1 songs. Then she left the family band at the end of 2023 and nearly walked away from music entirely, paralyzed by the fear of not measuring up to what she'd already done. She looked into acting and seriously considered going to school for interior design.

What pulled her back was friends passing her demos around behind her back and refusing to delete them. She wrote more than 200 songs to find her own voice and narrowed them to the thirteen on her debut solo album, Here I Am, out September 18. Her rule: only the songs she kept reaching for in the car, not the ones that might scratch an itch in the Christian market.

Then the conversation turns to "Raised By Wolves." Franni grew up in a religious cult for twelve years of her childhood, which her family left during her senior year of high school. Her husband suggested the title, drawn from the warning in Matthew 7 about false prophets who come in sheep's clothing but are inwardly ravenous wolves. She wrote it with David Leonard and Andy Cherry, and it was David who spoke the opening line: "be quiet little girl." She had assumed a story that specific would isolate her. Instead she found that when something is that personal it becomes universal, because everyone knows what betrayal from a safe place feels like.

On the music itself: songwriter Paul Duncan told her he wasn't worried about her relationship with her family, he was worried about her relationship with music, and sent her on "musical dates" with no goal but enjoyment. Al Green, Elton John and Marvin Gaye on the record player. Long drives in a beat-up 1978 Corvette off Facebook Marketplace. Six producers worked on Here I Am, with Franni as executive producer holding it together.

Asked what she wants listeners to take away, Franni lands on one word: validation. She talks about narrative therapy and learning that not all twelve of those years were bad, because her grandmothers poured scripture into her, and that's what "Jesus Girl" is really about. She pushes back on the idea that people outside the faith are simply choosing sin. In her experience, someone misrepresented God to them.

The episode closes with bravery. Franni grew up believing women were less than men. On the Brandon Lake tour she felt the Holy Spirit tell her she was brave and should ask to open the second leg, and minutes later her guitar player picked a worn card off the dressing room floor that read, in gold letters, "I am brave." She asked. He said yes the next day. Then Amy Grant invited her to lunch, listened to "Darken the Doorway," and asked her to join The Me That Remains Tour.

"Don't let anybody keep you small or silent." - Franni Cash

ABOUT FRANNI CASH

Franni Cash is a two-time GRAMMY-nominated artist, three-time Dove Award winner, performer, vocalist and songwriter. Formerly of We The Kingdom, she co-wrote two No. 1 songs and was named one of the Top 20 breakout artists across all genres. Following her departure from the band, she released her debut EP Good Woman and now her debut solo album, Here I Am, out September 18: thirteen autobiographical songs covering her years in a religious cult, reclaiming her faith, and stepping into her own voice. She has shared stages with Lauren Daigle and Brandon Lake, and joins Amy Grant this fall on The Me That Remains Tour.

IN THIS EPISODE

Why leaving We The Kingdom nearly ended her music career
The friends who passed her demos around against her wishes
Writing over 200 songs to find her own voice
The story behind "Raised By Wolves," Matthew 7, and twelve years inside a religious cult
Why she believed her story would isolate her, and what happened instead
Narrative therapy, her grandmothers, and what "Jesus Girl" is actually about
Musical dates, a 1978 Corvette, and falling in love with music on her own terms
The card that said "I am brave," asking Brandon Lake for a second tour, and Amy Grant's kitchen table

LINKS

Franni Cash: https://www.frannicash.com/
Here I Am (pre-order / stream): https://frannicash.lnk.to/hereiamWE
Tour dates: https://www.frannicash.com/tour/
"Raised By Wolves": https://frannicash.lnk.to/raisedbywolvesWE
"Jesus All Along": https://frannicash.lnk.to/JesusAllAlongWE
"Menace": https://frannicash.lnk.to/hereiamEM
Here I Am vinyl and CD: https://store.capitolcmglabelgroup.com/collections/franni-cash
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/frannicash
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@frannicash
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FranniCash
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4fxcjHw2RUb4fBwuqHufT1
Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/franni-cash/694735313
Kurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.com
Worship Leader: https://worshipleader.com

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What happens when you reach a milestone you once dreamed about and discover you still have to trust God tomorrow?

GRAMMY Award-winning artist DOE joins Kurtis Parks on The Walk for an unusually honest conversation about success, ambition, work, calling, community, motherhood, and learning to see God as Provider. From growing up making music with her family in forever JONES to stepping into a solo career, DOE shares how God has used both opportunity and uncertainty to form her along the way.

DOE opens up about leaving familiar seasons when she sensed the grace had lifted, driving Uber while pursuing music, and why even after winning a GRAMMY she refuses to measure success by whether music is her only source of income. Her perspective on “holy ambition” is equally challenging: ambition becomes healthy when our time, energy, finances, relationships, health, and gifts are surrendered to God and stewarded well.

The conversation also turns toward the making of her new live album, Shiloh. DOE wanted the record to reflect the breadth of the church and the musical traditions that formed her, honoring different cultural expressions rather than merely imitating them. The result is a project shaped by community, generations, worship, and a desire to point people toward God.

If you’ve ever wondered whether needing another job means your dream failed, struggled to distinguish holy ambition from striving, or tried to trust God in an unpredictable season, DOE’s story offers a needed reminder: your calling was never meant to replace your Provider.

Guest Bio

DOE, born Dominique Jones, is a GRAMMY Award-winning singer, songwriter, and musician whose music crosses Christian and Gospel traditions. Raised in a musical family, she began performing professionally as a teenager with her parents and siblings in the multi-GRAMMY-nominated group forever JONES before launching her solo career. Her 2025 album Heart of a Human won Best Contemporary Christian Music Album, and her third solo album, Shiloh, releases August 28 through Provident Entertainment and Sony Music.

Episode Highlights

• What does “holy ambition” actually look like? DOE explains why ambition submitted to Scripture and the Holy Spirit becomes a question of stewardship rather than self-promotion.
• Can you be successful and still need another source of income? DOE shares that she still has her Uber account and recently earned her real estate license, challenging the idea that bivocational work means failure.
• How do you know when a season is over? DOE describes leaving youth ministry and eventually stepping beyond the security of her family’s musical identity.
• Why does healthy community matter for ambitious people? DOE talks about finding relationships that turn potential competition into genuine support.
• What can difficult experiences produce in us? DOE reflects on how God can use hard experiences to develop resilience.
• What did winning a GRAMMY teach her? The album DOE found hardest to complete became the project that won, reminding her that God can connect what looks like scattered dots into a meaningful picture.
• What makes Shiloh different? DOE shares her desire to honor the musical languages and church traditions that shaped her while creating one cohesive worship experience.

Pull Quote

“You have not failed if you still have another job on the side.”

That is probably the strongest verbatim social hook in the entire interview.

Helpful Links

DOE Official Website
https://www.doejonesmusic.com/

DOE on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/doejonesmusic/

DOE on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/doejonesmusic/

DOE on TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@doejonesmusic

DOE’s supplied bio identifies Shiloh as arriving August 28 via Provident Entertainment and Sony Music.

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What happens when you believe God has called you to something—but every door keeps closing?

On Episode 183 of The Walk, host Kurtis Parks sits down with bilingual Christian artist and worship leader Iveth Luna for an honest conversation about calling, identity, fear, motherhood, worship, and trusting God in seasons that don't make sense.

Iveth grew up in the Dallas, Texas area in a family deeply rooted in ministry. Her grandfather—a pastor, missionary, and church planter—helped show her what a life of faith could look like. She began leading worship at 16 and eventually sensed God calling her into music. But when opportunities with American Idol and The Voice repeatedly ended in closed doors, Iveth began questioning more than her calling. She started questioning who she was.

That painful season eventually led to depression—but also to healing. Iveth shares how God rebuilt her identity around a truth she now carries into every season: before she is a singer, artist, worship leader, wife, or mother, she is a daughter of the King.

Now living in Nashville with her husband and young son, Iveth is stepping into a new chapter with music including Making Ways and the bilingual worship release “House of God” / “Casa De Dios.” She shares why motherhood has changed the way she sees the people she leads, what the Spanish-speaking Church can teach us about worship, and why she refuses to let fear make her decisions anymore.

In This Episode

• What happens when God gives you a dream, but the doors keep closing? Iveth shares how rejection forced her to confront where she had placed her identity.
• Can your calling become too connected to your identity? Iveth explains why being a daughter of God has to come before being a worship leader.
• How do you keep fear from controlling your life? She reflects on years of allowing fear to have the final say—and why she refuses to live that way anymore.
• What can the wider Church learn from Spanish-speaking worship communities? Iveth talks about reverence, joy, expression, cultural diversity, and the beauty of every tribe and tongue worshiping Jesus.
• How does becoming a mother change the way you lead worship? Iveth shares how motherhood has given her a deeper compassion for the people in front of her.
• What do you do in a season of transition? Sometimes worship looks like leading from a platform. Sometimes it looks like worshiping Jesus with your family in the living room.

Pull Quote

“I am a worship leader, but first off, I’m a daughter of the King. And every season is going to look different, and it’s okay.”

Connect with Iveth Luna

Website: IvethLuna.com

Listen to “House of God” / “Casa De Dios” and “Making Ways” wherever you stream music.

About The Walk

The Walk: Faith in the Real World
Real people. Real moments. True faith.

The Walk is a Worship Leader Media podcast featuring honest conversations about what it means to follow Jesus when faith moves beyond what we say and into the way we actually live.

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Show Notes

Real people. Real moments. True faith.

Sometimes God's greatest miracles don't happen overnight—they happen through years of surrender.

On this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with Christian artist Justin Gambino for one of his most personal conversations yet. Justin opens up about growing up as a prodigal, serving in the Navy, battling PTSD, addiction, infertility, and learning to trust God's timing through years of waiting. He also shares how becoming a father has completely reshaped his understanding of God's faithfulness and why his newest EP, The Garden of the Lord, is the most personal music he's ever written.

Guest Bio

Justin Gambino is a Christian singer-songwriter based in Texas whose music reflects a life transformed by God's grace. After serving eight years in the U.S. Navy and overcoming addiction, depression, and PTSD, Justin now travels the country sharing the hope of Christ through music and testimony. His latest EP, The Garden of the Lord, explores intimacy with God, healing, and spiritual growth.

Episode Highlights

• How years of infertility taught Justin to trust God's perfect timing
• The unexpected lesson God taught him through his newborn son
• Why vulnerability became one of the greatest tools in his ministry
• What God showed him about building His Kingdom instead of his own
• How The Garden of the Lord was written during one of the deepest seasons of spiritual growth
• Why obedience often comes before understanding
• The importance of community when you're walking through pain
• How God uses our testimony to bring freedom to others

Pull Quote

"When you keep your eyes on the Father, you can trust that His provision is already on the way."

Connect with Justin

Instagram: @justingambino

Listen to The Garden of the Lord on all streaming platforms.

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What if the greatest blessing in your life is a prayer God never answered the way you expected?

In Episode 181 of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Dove Award-winning artist Leanna Crawford shares the deeply personal journey behind her sophomore album, Thank God. While many know Leanna for her No. 1 hit "Still Waters (Psalm 23)," this conversation reveals the seasons of disappointment, comparison, anxiety, and healing that shaped the songs on her newest record.

Leanna opens up about nearly walking away from music, how counseling helped her rediscover joy, and why she's now grateful that God didn't answer every prayer the way she wanted. She also shares the excitement surrounding her Grand Ole Opry debut, her love for country music, and how faith continues to shape every lyric she writes.

Whether you're walking through uncertainty, waiting on God, or learning to trust His timing, this conversation is a reminder that His plans are always better—even when they don't make sense at first.

Guest Bio

Leanna Crawford is a Dove Award-winning singer-songwriter based in Nashville, Tennessee. Named New Artist of the Year at the Dove Awards, she is known for heartfelt songs including the RIAA Gold-certified, Billboard No. 1 hit "Still Waters (Psalm 23)." Her sophomore album, Thank God, blends country influences with honest storytelling and faith-filled encouragement as she continues reaching millions of listeners around the world.

Episode Highlights

• Why Leanna almost walked away from music
• How counseling helped change her perspective
• The story behind her new album, Thank God
• Learning gratitude in seasons of disappointment
• The growing connection between country and Christian music
• What it means to trust God's timing instead of your own
• Her upcoming Grand Ole Opry debut
• Why a full life includes both joy and sorrow

Pull Quote

"I'm thankful God didn't answer every prayer the way I wanted Him to."

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What makes a worship song truly powerful?

Is it the melody? The production? The number of streams?

According to 2819 Worship, it's much simpler than that: Does the song help people behold Jesus more clearly?

In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Kurtis Parks sits down with Kristen Pinckney and Trey Heflin of 2819 Worship, the Atlanta-based collective from 2819 Church whose debut single, "For Christ Alone," has quickly become one of the most talked-about new worship songs of the year.

The conversation goes far beyond songwriting. Kristen and Trey share the heart behind their church's explosive growth, why every worship gathering begins and ends with prayer, and how a three-year journey through the Gospel of Matthew shaped both their church and their music. They also discuss the spontaneous moment that transformed "For Christ Alone" into a 13-minute worship anthem and why their mission has never been to create viral songs—but songs rooted in Scripture that point people to Christ.

Whether you're a worship leader, songwriter, pastor, or someone longing for deeper worship, this episode is a timely reminder that our greatest calling is not influence—it's faithfulness.

Guest Bio

2819 Worship is the worship collective of 2819 Church in Atlanta, Georgia, led by Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell. Comprised of worship leaders, musicians, and songwriters including Kristen Pinckney and Trey Heflin, the collective exists to create biblically grounded worship music that helps the Church behold Jesus more clearly. Their debut single, "For Christ Alone," released in partnership with Reach Records, has quickly gained worldwide attention for its Scripture-centered message and authentic live worship expression.

Episode Highlights

• The story behind 2819 Church's remarkable growth
• Why every worship gathering begins and ends with prayer
• How a three-year study through Matthew transformed their church
• The inspiration behind "For Christ Alone"
• Why worship songs should be rooted in Scripture
• The spontaneous moment that changed the song forever
• Faithfulness vs. influence in worship ministry
• Why today's Church is hungry for biblical truth

Pull Quote

"We write songs that help people behold Christ more clearly."

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What do you do when the dream you've spent your life chasing no longer makes sense?

In Episode 179 of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, singer-songwriter and worship leader Bodie shares the surprising story behind his rise from local church worship leader to runner-up on NBC's The Voice and one of Christian music's fastest-rising artists.

Before millions watched him compete on national television, Bodie was already considering walking away from music altogether. Discouraged, exhausted, and questioning his future, he found himself at a crossroads where surrender became more important than success. Then came an unexpected opportunity that changed everything.

In this conversation, Bodie opens up about identity, calling, worship leadership, songwriting, family life on the road, and the challenge of keeping Jesus at the center when opportunities begin multiplying. He also shares the heart behind his new single, "Almost Famous," and why he's learned that true success is measured by obedience, not recognition.

Along the way, you'll hear stories from The Voice, lessons learned from touring with artists like Colton Dixon and Elevation Rhythm, and powerful moments where God's presence redirected the course of his life.

Whether you're a worship leader, creative, musician, or simply someone trying to follow God's leading in a season of uncertainty, this episode offers a timely reminder that surrender often comes before breakthrough.

Guest Bio

Bodie first captured national attention as the runner-up on Season 22 of NBC's The Voice. Since then, his debut album No Skips has generated more than 38 million streams, and he has toured with artists including Elevation Rhythm, Colton Dixon, and Seth Schluter. A worship leader, songwriter, and artist, Bodie combines alternative rock influences with honest faith-filled storytelling. Originally from Los Angeles, he now serves in ministry while continuing to create music that points listeners toward Jesus.

Episode Highlights

• Why Bodie was preparing to quit music before The Voice

• The conversation with God that changed his perspective on calling

• How surrender became the foundation of his career

• What worship leadership taught him about success

• The story behind his new single, "Almost Famous"

• Touring, family life, and staying grounded in ministry

• How God's presence met him in one of the lowest moments of his life

• Why obedience matters more than recognition

Pull Quote

"You don't choose who you reach. God chooses who you reach."

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