Kat and Kip Kvetch about how valid points get diminished in city council debates when it’s made personal subverting the entire discussion. They also discuss the mayor’s budget and why austerity measure shouldn’t be the norm and who gets harmed the most- wild guess, not business and developers. And why does Portland keep centering terrible people by giving them legitimacy?

There might also be a mention of butts. Our apologies.

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