Episode 28

When something is wrong with our animal companion, it’s natural to want an answer. Maybe there’s a food we haven’t tried, a supplement we’re missing, another practitioner who will see what everyone else has missed, or one underlying cause that will finally make everything click.

But what happens when there isn’t one perfect answer?

In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny talk about the pressure pet guardians and holistic practitioners can put on themselves to keep searching, fixing, and trying something new, especially when dealing with chronic illness or complicated health issues.

They explore the difference between looking for useful information and looking for certainty, why “finding the root cause” doesn’t always mean finding one single thing, and how the desire to help can sometimes turn into the need to fix.

They also discuss what it means to move from “How do I fix this?” to “How can I support this?” Sometimes good care isn’t about finding the perfect protocol. It’s about listening, simplifying, paying attention to what’s actually helping, supporting quality of life, and making the next best decision with the information you have.

Because more information doesn’t always create more clarity, and accepting uncertainty doesn’t mean giving up.

Timestamps

00:00 The search for the perfect answer

04:00 Does every health problem have one root cause?

06:00 Are you looking for information or certainty?08:00 The pressure practitioners feel to have the answer

12:00 Moving from fixing to supporting

16:30 Why a sustainable plan can be better than a perfect one

18:00 Acceptance, quality of life, and knowing our limitations

21:00 When do you keep searching, and when do you let something be?

Join the Conversation

How do you know when to keep searching for answers and when to let something be?

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Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

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Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

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Episode 27

When you love an animal deeply, you notice things. A change in appetite. A different walk. An unusual behavior. That attentiveness can be an important part of caring for them.

But after illness, trauma, or loss, attentiveness can sometimes become hypervigilance. Instead of noticing what is happening, we begin searching for what might go wrong.

In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny have a vulnerable conversation about pet-parent anxiety, grief, and the fear of missing something.

Sunny shares how losing three dogs under traumatic circumstances affected the way she watches her animals today, while Melissa talks about navigating her own fears after losing Loki and while caring for her senior dog, Cooper.

They explore the difference between attunement and hypervigilance, reassurance-seeking and “cyberchondria,” intuition vs. anxiety, anticipatory anxiety with aging and chronically ill animals, and why looking for subtle signs can sometimes become a trap.

Most importantly, they talk about finding the space between paying attention and actually enjoying the animal who is still here.

Because sometimes the bravest form of care is allowing a good day to simply be a good day.

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Timestamps

00:00 When attentiveness becomes hypervigilance

01:30 Sunny shares the losses that changed how she watches her dogs

05:30 Attunement vs. hypervigilance

10:00 Reassurance-seeking, Googling and “cyberchondria”

16:00 Intuition vs. anxiety

20:30 Anticipatory anxiety and losing the present moment

23:00 Why more information isn’t always more care

26:00 Letting a good day be a good day

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Disclaimer:This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

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Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

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Episode 26: Your dog has the carefully planned meals, the supplements, the walks, the appointments, and the wellness routine.

And you had a bag of chips for dinner.

Sound familiar?

In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara talk about something that often gets overlooked in pet wellness: the person doing the caring.

Our animals aren't biologically the same as us, but we live together. We share environments, routines, movement, stress, rest, and relationships. And when caring for an animal becomes a source of constant pressure, perfectionism, or exhaustion, it may be time to look at the health of the whole household.

Melissa and Sunny talk about nervous-system regulation, shared healthy habits, simplifying food preparation, the pressure to do everything perfectly, and why depletion isn't a measure of how much you love your animal.

Plus, they each commit to one small thing they'll do for themselves.

In this episode:

Why you belong in your animal's wellness plan

The connection between household stress and our animals

Why wellness doesn't always require another product or protocol

Making healthy habits work for both ends of the leash

Letting go of perfectionism in pet care

Why caring for yourself isn't taking away from your animal

Simple places to start without adding another thing to your list

What about you? What's one small thing you could do this week to make life a little healthier or easier for both you and your animal?

For timestamps, additional takeaways, and more ways to continue the conversation, join us on The Whole Pack on Substack.

Timestamps

00:00 Health happens in a household

02:00 When the pet eats better than the person

04:30 Health isn’t only something we purchase

06:00 Melissa’s experience with Maisy and Noodle

08:00 Stress, anxiety, and the household nervous system

10:00 Why your own regulation matters

12:30 Making wellness simpler instead of adding more

14:00 Small changes and finding room to rest

16:00 Let your dog teach you how to be present

16:30 Making food preparation work for both species

18:00 Perfectionism and the wellness trap

20:00 Exhaustion isn’t proof of devotion

22:00 Melissa and Sunny choose one thing for themselves

25:00 You are part of your animal’s care plan

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

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Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

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Why We Need to Stop Calling It Woo-Woo

“This is going to sound a little woo-woo, but…”

Have you ever said that before explaining something you believe in or a modality you practice?

This week, Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara examine why the term “woo-woo” has become a catch-all for everything from animal communication and Reiki to acupuncture, Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine, homeopathy, and other complementary approaches, despite these practices having very different histories, evidence, training, and claims.

They talk about skepticism, the pressure practitioners feel to prove their work, and why dismissing something we don't fully understand isn't the same thing as thinking critically about it.

Melissa also shares her experiences with animal communication and energy healing, while Sunny talks about some of the experiences that challenged her own skepticism and made her willing to stay curious.

And importantly, being open-minded doesn't mean believing everything. They close with a conversation about discernment, responsible claims, and why practitioners still need to earn your trust.

In this episode:

Why “woo-woo” can unintentionally diminish holistic work

Skepticism vs. curiosity

Why some complementary modalities become mainstream

Animal communication, energy healing, and personal experience

Talking about your work without apologizing for it

Why practitioners don't need to convince everyone

Staying curious without abandoning critical thinking

Choosing practitioners with discernment

What do you think? Is there something you once dismissed as “woo-woo” that you eventually became curious enough to explore?

For expanded show notes and conversation starters, join us on The Whole Pack on Substack.

Timestamps

00:00 Why we’re talking about the term “woo-woo”

02:00 Sunny’s experience with Nacho and exploring holistic care

04:00 Are we diminishing our own work before anyone else can?

07:00 Ancient practices, modern science, and what gets taken seriously

09:00 Why some modalities become mainstream and others don’t

13:00 Skepticism, evidence, and our need to understand how something works

17:00 Do practitioners feel pressure to prove themselves?

20:00 Animal communication, validation, and trusting what you experience

23:00 Energy healing and observing change

26:00 Stop convincing. Start inviting curiosity.

28:00 Open-mindedness, discernment, and choosing practitioners wisely

30:00 What we’re calling it instead of “woo-woo”

About The Whole Pack

The Whole Pack is hosted by Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara, two holistic animal-care practitioners having honest conversations about the work, the animals, and the humans behind it.

We believe holistic care can include curiosity, critical thinking, collaboration, and more than one way of looking at animal health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

The Whole Pack is subscriber-supported. If you enjoy conversations like this, subscribe for free so you don’t miss what’s coming next.

Follow The Whole Pack:

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Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

How Music, Vibration, and Sound Therapy Can Support the Animal Nervous System

Can music do more for our animals than simply provide background noise?

This week, Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara are joined by Dr. Meghan Barrett, holistic veterinarian, sound therapy practitioner, musician, and founder of Muse Holistic Veterinary Care in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Dr. Meghan shares how her lifelong love of music eventually merged with veterinary medicine and how she now incorporates sound into her work with animals.

They explore how animals respond to music and vibration, music versus individual frequencies, live versus recorded sound, why different animals may prefer different instruments, and how sound can become part of a lower-stress veterinary environment.

Dr. Meghan also shares a simple way to experiment with music at home and why creating positive associations with sound before a stressful event may make it more useful when your animal actually needs it.

In this episode:

Music, sound, and the animal nervous system

Tuning forks and individual frequencies

Why not all classical music is calming

Different musical preferences across animals

Live vs. recorded sound

Sound in veterinary and recovery environments

Using music intentionally at home

Learn More About Dr. Meghan:

Muse Holistic Veterinary Caremuseholisticvet.com

The Muse Method E-Coursemuseholisticvet.com/muse-method-ecourse

Listen to Dr. Meghan's Music for Animals on YouTubeA great place to start if you'd like to experience the music discussed in this episode with your own animal.Animal Music by Dr. Meghan Barrett

Soul Songs for Animalsdrmeghanbarrett.bandcamp.com/album/soul-songs-for-animals

Connect with Dr. Meghan

Instagram: @drbarrettvetInstagram: @muse.holistic.vet

TikTok: @drbarrettvet

Facebook: Muse Holistic Veterinary Care

YouTube: Dr. Barrett Vet

For the full show notes, timestamps, conversation starters, and additional resources from Dr. Meghan, head to The Whole Pack on Substack.

Try a little experiment this week and tell us what your animal thinks. Bonus points if you discover your dog is secretly a jazz snob.

Timestamps

00:00 Meet Dr. Meghan Barrett

02:00 How veterinary medicine and music came together

07:00 Discovering how animals respond to music

08:00 What therapeutic sound may be doing for the nervous system

11:30 Music vs. frequencies and tuning forks

14:30 Is classical music actually calming for animals?

16:00 Recorded music vs. live acoustic sound

17:30 Do different species prefer different sounds?

19:30 Music in veterinary hospitals and during recovery

22:00 Creating a low-stress veterinary environment

25:00 How to start experimenting with sound at home

27:00 Creating positive associations with your animal’s music

29:00 Melissa and Meghan on playing music for animals

30:30 What Meghan would say to skeptics

33:00 Meghan’s new holistic pet care course

35:30 Where to find Meghan’s music and work

38:00 One final tip: music at mealtime

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Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

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When your animal is sick, aging, or struggling, choosing someone to help can feel incredibly vulnerable. And when fear enters the picture, it can become even harder to know who to trust.

In this episode, Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara move beyond credentials and talk about what pet parents should actually look for when choosing a holistic pet practitioner.

They discuss how to research someone before hiring them, questions worth asking, why competence alone isn't enough, and the green flags that can signal a thoughtful, ethical practitioner.

They also get into the red flags: guaranteed results, practitioners who discourage veterinary care or diagnostics, pressure tactics, lack of transparency, and anyone who can't acknowledge the limits of their expertise.

And for the practitioners listening, Melissa and Sunny turn the conversation around: What are you doing to demonstrate that you're worthy of someone's trust?

In this episode:

How to research a practitioner

Questions to ask before hiring someone

🟢 Green flags to look for

🚩 Red flags to take seriously

Why collaboration and referrals matter

Transparency around products and affiliate relationships

How practitioners can build trust through integrity and communication

This conversation builds on our previous episode about certifications and credentials, but you don't need to hear that episode first.

For the full show notes, timestamps, complete green and red flag lists, and Sunny's conversation starters, head to The Whole Pack on Substack

Timestamps

00:00 If credentials aren’t enough, who should you trust?

01:30 Why fear changes the way pet parents make decisions

03:30 Researching practitioners, reviews, referrals, and social media

06:00 Does the practitioner actually have experience with your animal?

08:00 Competence, care, and integrity

09:30 Questions to ask before hiring someone

13:30 🟢 The green flags of a trustworthy practitioner

16:00 🚩 Guarantees, pressure, and other red flags

18:00 Veterinary care, diagnostics, medications, and “natural” treatments

19:30 For practitioners: how do you demonstrate trustworthiness?

23:00 Why reviews and referrals matter

25:30 The right practitioner may not tell you what you want to hear

29:30 Sunny’s takeaway and questions for listeners

The Whole Pack is a subscriber-supported podcast. If you enjoy these conversations, subscribe for free to support the show and never miss an episode.

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Follow The Whole Pack:

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Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

Certifications, Credentials, Experience, and What Really Makes a Qualified Practitioner

When someone calls themselves a certified animal communicator, nutritionist, herbalist, pet health coach, or holistic practitioner, what does that certification actually tell you?

In this episode, Melissa and Sunny unpack the often-confusing world of credentials in holistic pet care. They explore the difference between certification and licensure, why certification programs can vary dramatically in rigor and scope, and why education alone doesn't necessarily tell you whether someone is a skilled, ethical practitioner.

They also get into experience, scope of practice, imposter syndrome, the temptation to collect “just one more certification,” and why being willing to say I don't know or that's outside my scope can actually be a sign of a practitioner you can trust.

This is the first half of a two-part conversation. Next, we're flipping the question around: How do you actually decide who to trust with your animal?

In this episode:

Certification vs. licensure

How to evaluate training and credentials

Education vs. real-world experience

Scope of practice and professional integrity

The certification/imposter syndrome cycle

What credentials can and can't tell you

For the full show notes, timestamps, conversation starters, and more from this episode, head to The Whole Pack on Substack.

Timestamps

00:00 What does “certified” actually mean?

03:00 Why pet parents may assume certified means licensed or regulated

05:00 When a certificate is really a certificate of completion

06:40 Certification vs. professional licensure

08:15 Scope of practice and why knowing your limits builds trust

12:00 How to evaluate the quality of a certification program

15:30 Education vs. experience

18:00 Are you collecting certifications because of imposter syndrome?

20:00 Why good practitioners should be willing to change their minds

22:00 When certainty and superiority become red flags

25:00 Imposter syndrome and the “one more certification” trap

27:30 Twenty certifications or hundreds of real-world cases?

30:00 What credentials can and cannot tell you

31:15 What’s coming in Part Two

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

Stop Selling Your Modality

If you’ve ever introduced yourself with a long list of certifications, modalities, or letters after your name, this episode is for you.

As practitioners, we’ve invested years studying nutrition, herbal medicine, Reiki, EFT, animal communication, TCVM, and countless other approaches. Those credentials matter. But when a worried pet parent lands on your website, they’re not searching for a modality. They’re searching for hope.

In this episode, Melissa and Sunny explore one of the most common mistakes holistic practitioners make: leading with how we work instead of what becomes possible.

Together, they discuss why credentials don’t build trust the way we think they do, how industry jargon can unintentionally push people away, and how shifting your language can help more animals receive the support they need.

Whether you’re an animal communicator, nutritionist, veterinarian, bodyworker, herbalist, energy practitioner, trainer, or holistic pet health coach, this conversation will help you communicate your work in a way that truly connects.

In this episode

* Why clients don’t buy modalities... they buy hope

* The difference between describing your credentials and describing transformation

* How to stop speaking in practitioner jargon

* Why your client should always be the hero of the story

* Using your clients’ own words to communicate your work

* The “coffee shop test” for explaining what you do

* Simple ways to make your website, bio, and social media more approachable

* Why simplifying your language doesn’t diminish your expertise

Key Takeaway

People aren’t searching for an EFT practitioner, a Reiki Master, or someone certified in TCVM.

They’re searching for someone who understands what they’re going through and can help their animal feel better.

Lead with the transformation. The modalities can come later.

Timestamps

00:00 Why practitioners lead with credentials instead of connection

05:35 The StoryBrand concept: your client is the hero

10:00 People buy outcomes, not modalities

17:00 The Coffee Shop Test: explaining what you do simply

20:00 Three questions to audit your website and social media

24:00 Why simplifying your language isn’t “dumbing down” your work

27:00 Final challenge: lead with hope, not protocol

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Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

What if your animal’s symptoms are only one piece of a much larger pattern?

Dr. Chris Bessent joins Melissa and Sunny to share about the world of Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine and explain how nearly four decades of holistic veterinary practice have changed the way she sees every animal who enters the room.

They explore the difference between treating a diagnosis and understanding the pattern beneath it, what an animal’s tongue, pulse, behavior, and elemental constitution can reveal, and how acupuncture, Chinese herbs, food therapy, and Western medicine can work together.

Dr. Bessent also shares why two animals with the same diagnosis may need completely different support, where pet health coaches must stay within their scope, and the refreshingly simple lesson animals have taught her about healing: they do not care which approach gets the credit. They just want to feel better.

Learn more about Dr. Bessent through Herbsmith, The Simple Food Project, Medicus Veterinary Diets, and the complimentary Curate the Bowl recommendation resource.

In This Episode

We explore:

* What holistic veterinary medicine actually means

* The difference between treating a diagnosis and recognizing a pattern

* What the tongue, pulse, behavior, and constitution can reveal

* The five elements of Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine

* How warming and cooling foods may support balance

* Why an animal’s response should guide the next step

* Where pet health coaches must remain within their professional scope

* How Western and Chinese medicine can work side by side

* What animals understand about healing that humans often miss

About Dr. Chris Bessent

Dr. Chris Bessent is a holistic veterinarian with nearly four decades of experience integrating Western veterinary medicine with acupuncture, chiropractic care, Chinese herbs, food therapy, and nutrition.

She is the founder of Herbsmith, The Simple Food Project, and Medicus Veterinary Diets, through which she continues her mission of creating individualized, whole-animal approaches to health. Her official biography lists a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, a master’s degree in Oriental Medicine, and certifications in veterinary acupuncture, chiropractic care, and herbology.

Dr. Bessent also shares details about her upcoming book, Two Paths to the Summit, which explores Chinese herbal formulas through both Eastern and Western medical frameworks.

Where to Find Dr. Chris Bessent

Herbsmith: Explore herbs, nutritional resources, and Dr. Bessent’s work

Curate the Bowl: Complete the complimentary recommendation quiz

The Simple Food Project: Explore whole-food diets for dogs and cats

Medicus Veterinary Diets: Explore specialized whole-food veterinary diets

Herbsmith’s Curate the Bowl resource provides personalized guidance around herbs, nutraceuticals, and feeding choices, while The Simple Food Project and Medicus offer distinct whole-food nutrition options for everyday and more complex nutritional needs.

Timestamps

00:00 Meet Dr. Chris Bessent

02:17 Building a bigger veterinary toolbox05:08 What holistic veterinary medicine really means

09:16 Learning to observe and listen to the animal

11:08 Tongue, pulse, behavior, and the diagnostic puzzle

13:32 Acupuncture, herbs, food, and the body’s response

16:19 Diagnosis versus a pattern of disharmony

19:17 Looking beneath allergies, seizures, and kidney disease

23:02 When Dr. Bessent realized TCVM was not a fad

26:28 The five elemental constitutions

31:35 Using warming and cooling foods

34:43 When food energetics and Western nutrition agree

36:45 Scope of practice for coaches and non-veterinary practitioners

39:36 When Western medicine is absolutely the right tool

41:32 What animals understand about their own healing

45:34 Dr. Bessent’s Chinese herbal medicine courses

48:15 Two Paths to the Summit

51:06 Curate the Bowl and where to find Dr. Bessent

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Follow The Whole Pack:

Instagram: @thewholepack_

Facebook: @thewholepack

YouTube: @thewholepack

Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com

nstagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

The Parallel Plate Project and the Power of Shared Meals

Can preparing dinner become one of the most meaningful moments you share with your dog?

In this episode, Melissa interviews chef, canine nutritionist, and health coach Sunny Gandara about her newest passion project, The Parallel Plate Project. Inspired by her years as a professional chef and the profound lessons she learned from her late Cane Corso, Nacho, Sunny shares why feeding our animals is about far more than what's in the bowl.

Together, they explore how cooking can become a daily ritual of presence, connection, and love, why fresh feeding doesn't have to be complicated, and how preparing meals side by side for yourself and your dog can strengthen the bond you share.

Whether you feed fresh food, kibble, or somewhere in between, this conversation will leave you looking at mealtime in a whole new way.

For additional resources, cooking classes, and information about Sunny's work, visit the full show notes on Substack.

Timestamps

00:00 Meet The Parallel Plate Project

02:00 Why cooking is about connection, not just nutrition

07:00 Your dog’s experience in the kitchen

13:00 What The Parallel Plate Project actually is

17:30 Making fresh feeding simple

20:00 Sunny’s vision for the future

Learn More About Sunny’s Work

Sunny Gandara is a canine nutritionist, certified health coach, former professional chef, and founder of Nacho Average Dog Health Coach.

Through nutrition consultations, fresh feeding education, cooking classes, and The Parallel Plate Project, Sunny helps people create healthier lives for themselves and their dogs, one shared meal at a time.

Her work combines canine nutrition, human wellness, culinary education, and a deep belief that food is about more than nourishment. It’s about connection.

🌿 Website: Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

📧 Email: [email protected]

📱 Instagram:

* @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

* @canineculinaryherbalist

Subscribe to Sunny’s email list to be the first to hear about upcoming online cooking classes, The Parallel Plate Project, and fresh feeding resources.

Disclaimer:This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health.

If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Follow The Whole Pack:

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Facebook: @thewholepack

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Connect with the hosts:

Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek

Website: calmingcreek.com

Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing

Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach

Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.comInstagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com