Some people set out to build an agency. Andrew Mallis accidentally built one. Doug and Andrew talk about the winding path from art school to entrepreneurship, why design is really just creativity with constraints, and the challenge every founder faces after the excitement of a new idea wears off. It’s a conversation about vision, execution, and why the hardest part of building something is usually the middle.

Andrew Mallis is CEO and co-founder of Kalamuna, a digital agency serving higher education and government in the US and Canada. A graduate of the Ontario College of Art & Design, he was a student activist and later helped build technology infrastructure powering the Occupy Wall Street movement. He continues to put technology at the service of great causes.