Author and journalist Mark Schatzker explores the vital relationship between flavor and nutrition that has been disrupted by our modern food system. Drawing from his books "The Dorito Effect" and "The End of Craving," he explains how our innate nutritional wisdom is being confused by ultra-processed foods that create a mismatch between what our brains expect and what our bodies receive. This illuminating conversation covers how animals and humans naturally seek the nutrients they need through flavor, why modern foods have lost their nutritional integrity, and how reconnecting with real food can restore our natural ability to nourish ourselves properly.

For more information:
Mark Schatzker's book "The Dorito Effect: The Surprising New Truth About Food and Flavor"
Mark Schatzker's book "The End of Craving: Recovering the Lost Wisdom of Eating Well"
Research by Fred Provenza's research and book "Nourishment: What Animals Can Teach Us About Rediscovering Our Nutritional Wisdom"
Clara Davis's pioneering research on children's self-selected diets

Key Moments:
[00:02:58] The steak that started it all - how a meal in Chile led Mark to investigate flavor and nutrition 

[00:06:24] Nutritional wisdom versus nutritional idiocy - what goats and cows can teach us about our own eating instincts

[00:12:52] The Clara Davis experiments - how children intuitively selected nutritionally complete diets when given whole foods

[00:21:38] Children's palates versus adults - why kids naturally prefer simpler, less complex foods

[00:28:58] Developing cooking skills - how practice and persistence can reconnect us with real food preparation

[00:42:58] The key question to ask about food - "Does it taste like what it is?"

[00:48:35] The loss of flavor in modern chicken - how breeding for efficiency sacrificed nutrition and taste

[00:53:37] Wanting versus liking - the difference between foods that trigger cravings and foods that bring genuine pleasure

Music Credits:
Rise by Yaima from the album C E R E M O N I A
Gaia Nectar by Masood Ali Khan from the album The Yoga Sessions, in collaboration with Yoga Organix Records

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