In this week's episode Max Dashu speaks with Joanna about: the nectar of ancestral traditions; the sacred meaning of names for the wise women in Europe; demonization of the herbalist women through naming; a whole body of healing practices; life force medicine; seeress in the roof; witches as spiritual leaders; the women who see and know; cultural spells of patriarchy; the colonialist invention of white identity; honoring the indigenous names of the land.