Part Two of a conversation with writer and artist Austin Kleon, author of two New York Times bestsellers, Steal Like an Artist and Show Your Work!, as well as Newspaper Blackout and the forthcoming Steal Like an Artist Journal: A Notebook for Creative Kleptomaniacs.

We discussed why women artists are better role models for maintaining work-family balance, how to raise creative children, the value of sales and other business skills for artists, and the difference between creation, curation, and criticism. He even made a new blackout poem to reflect the conversation.

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(Recorded July 22, 2015)

Part One of the interview is available here.

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