(Note from Jenn: You may notice a slight echo in the first 1-2 minutes of audio but we were able to figure it out! Thanks for your patience as we ironed out the early wrinkles!)

In this #ANDnotOR feature episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with long-time friends and fellow children's rights advocates Cameron and Tracee Linder to talk marriage, parenting, and building a family culture that honors both truth and grace. From clashing hospitality styles to cowboy independence vs. military discipline, the Linders share how their opposite personalities and gender differences can truly complement one another, especially when united by a shared worldview and commitment to raising children with purpose. With honesty, humor, and deep faith, they reflect on what makes marriage worth the work and why every child needs both a mom and a dad.

Read more from Cameron and Tracee at https://libertyandgrace.org/

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