Brian McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, public theologian, and a friend who’s helped me a lot over the years. I’ve read many, many of his books and am really glad to have him on the channel today to talk about …

authoritarianism and why it’s alive and well in our world, why it’s a left wing and a right wing problem, creativity and writing, the 40 day indigenous vision quest of Jesus, relational theology and how events are things that happen to us in the midst of change, and much more, including the world premiere of the opening line of a song i composed while in a interview at a church a couple years ago, which goes … “I’d rather be hiking thinkin’ about God than sitting in church thinkin’ about hikin'.” And if you ask, yes, I will give the rest of the lyrics. 😂

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