Pam and her friend, Rev. Amy Sandlin sit down to talk about her hospice work, faith in something greater than ourselves and how to find hope in the unknown. Perhaps we can grow to trust that death is the painful but graceful passage that will bring us face-to-face with the Divine. Fitting for our times and not knowing a pandemic was going to unfold, this podcast was taped in January 2020, airing May 2020. https://www.talkingjoy.org