Debby Viveros is the leader of Our Selah, a new worshiping community that supports pastors with the church of their very own.

In our conversation, she shares the journey of her own radical, interpretive reshaping of a part of scripture, just two little verses in the whole Bible that boxed her in as a fantastic leader of a dynamic and large women's Bible study. She did not know she could be a pastor. To put it more clearly, she knew she could not and would not be a pastor. The tradition of her church was complementarianism, the idea that women and men were created by God to have different roles in life, in family, and in the church. We meditate on her journey from complementarianism to ordained ministry, the need for keepers of ritual, and the weight of a simple church key.

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