J.M. Berger and Kelsey Atherton discuss dystopias: real, created, and what lays in store for us.

J.M. Berger's works include Extremism, Let the Game Do Its Work: A Short History of Spectacle Dystopia, and has appeared previously on The Loopcast to discuss the Turner Diaries at length.

Kelsey Atherton is an award winning journalist whose beat is military technology. Kelsey's works include Airplane Mode, We're on the Brink of Cyberpunk, and has appeared previously on The Loopcast to discuss the survivors of America's first atom bomb test.

The interview today was conducted by Sina Kashefipour and show is produced by Chelsea Daymon and Sina Kashefipour.

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