In this episode, we speak with activist and journalist Emma Ashford from the Stimson Center on international security and US foreign policy. We explore what a realist internationalist view of foreign policy might look like, and how Trump's foreign policy may be perceived by allies and adversaries.

Podcast Production Credits:
Interviewing: Sabrina Beaver and Wyatt Hartwig
Editing: Sabrina Beaver
Production: Sabrina Beaver

Music from #Uppbeat :
https://uppbeat.io/t/tim-schaufert/it-doesnt-have-to-end